[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

You're supporting a regime that would see you dead in a heartbeat.

[LeatherTrumpet]

A very interesting summary/listen

[Stu]

People whose values are radically different to my own are still entitled to their own land. I've seen this "But can you go to a gay bar in Palestine?" sentiment a lot and it equates to Western entitlement and not seeing the woods for the trees. Is it something worth sorting out? You bet. Does it excuse hostile occupancy? For me it doesn't, but hey:

Youtube video

Supporting Palestinian people's rights doesn't equate to supporting everything Hamas do. Nor does providing necessary context on the decades of systemic bully-state tactics that have led to this kind of conflict.



There needs to be necessary contextualisation and understanding, because history unlearned from is doomed to repeat itself. I know the current news cycle makes it incredibly difficult - and that's actually completely excusable - but people with no real horse in the race weighing in to go "My team yeah! Turn Gaza into a car park!" are feeding into a loathsome culture war.

[Livia]

Women are second class citizens in Islam, some denied medical treatment and education. In some Muslim countries they cut the clitoris off their female children and sew them up so they can just urinate and bleed. Gay people are treated like animals, beaten, executed... But don't say anything, because, you know... Israel.

[The Slim Reaper]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Denver

At least 3 Brits are among those dead with 7 more missing and presumed dead

Yes and
9 Americans are sadly dead.

[The Slim Reaper]

Now we're moving on to all Muslims and Islam I see, not the specific hellish conditions the Muslims of Palestine are forced to rot in.

[Vanessa]

We live in really scary times.
It worries me that people are supporting Hamas.
I have sympathy for Palestinians , but this is not the way.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

We live in really scary times.
It worries me that people are supporting Hamas.
I have sympathy for Palestinians , but this is not the way.

People are supporting Palestinians, Vanessa. We're not Hamas supporters.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Now we're moving on to all Muslims and Islam I see, not the specific hellish conditions the Muslims of Palestine are forced to rot in.

It’s what it’s always been about, Israel’s ‘right’ to wipe out Muslims and steal their land for themselves

[Stu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Now we're moving on to all Muslims and Islam I see, not the specific hellish conditions the Muslims of Palestine are forced to rot in.

Yeah I give up. Stark naked whataboutery and ostrich effect.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

People are supporting Palestinians, Vanessa. We're not Hamas supporters.

Yes, same.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're supporting a regime that would see you dead in a heartbeat.

People seem to forget this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

People seem to forget this.

Because whenever this trope gets thrown out consistently, it's generally bollocks.

All 2 billion Muslims want to kill us in our beds and in the streets, oh lordy.



Stop being scared of your shadow.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because whenever this trope gets thrown out consistently, it's generally bollocks.

All 2 billion Muslims want to kill us in our beds and in the streets, oh lordy.



Stop being scared of your shadow.

The post spoke of the regime (Hamas), not all muslims.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because whenever this trope gets thrown out consistently, it's generally bollocks.

All 2 billion Muslims want to kill us in our beds and in the streets, oh lordy.



Stop being scared of your shadow.

i think Livia was referring to the gay side of things, which is an absolute fact, but you knew this didn't you

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yeah I give up. Stark naked whataboutery and ostrich effect.

British Jews are being attacked. We're not Israelis. So don't talk to me about whataboutery.

I've spent a lot of time working in Israel, and in Palestine and some of the surrounding countries, been in refugee camps. I feel I have a right to speak without those who've probably never been to the Middle East accusing me of sticking my head in the sand.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yeah I give up. Stark naked whataboutery and ostrich effect.

It's depressing, but I think as Liam pointed out, it does point to the end goal and real intent. The modern Zionist ideology is a Jewish supremacy movement.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Livia

British Jews are being attacked. We're not Israelis. So don't talk to me about whataboutery.

I've spent a lot of time working in Israel, and in Palestine and some of the surrounding countries, been in refugee camps. I feel I have a right to speak without those who've probably never been to the Middle East accusing me of sticking my head in the sand.

Sweet, address the more nuanced post I made then.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think Livia was referring to the gay side of things, which is an absolute fact, but you knew this didn't you

I don't believe all Muslims want to kill all gay people, absolutely not. Just like I don't believe everyone in this country is a Braverman fascist, either.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't believe all Muslims want to kill all gay people, absolutely not. Just like I don't believe everyone in this country is a Braverman fascist, either.

It's not even about killing all gay people though. But as a whole, the Muslim community rejects homosexuality. Look at that protest outside a Primary school in Birmingham a few years ago against LGBT teachings.

No other religion rejects gay people as much as Islam does world wide, and here. It's just fact.

[Liam-]

Some Muslims not respecting me as a person because of my sexuality, isn’t going to make me co-sign my approval of an oppressive state committing genocide against an entire countries population, just like I wouldn’t co-sign the genocide of Christian’s for the same reason if one ever came about

[LeatherTrumpet]

[arista]

BBC1HD London News
showed a restaurant,
in Edgware, Windows smashed
and Racist Graffiti
They would not show the text.


SkyNewsHD
showed a vigil in Paris
for Israel.

[OnTheRight]

Watching Israel strike back brilliantly. Well done Israel.