[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But like i said before, they've made everyone look shady at one point or another, so much so that the show's been diluted down so that everyone is now a suspect and if revealed as A there's always gonna be some people saying "Oh well it was obvious"

Yes, they've put nearly everyone in the frame at one point, but they didn't just make CeCe seem shady briefly for a little while, she's essentially walked around with a sign over her head saying "I'M SHADY LOOK AT ME" the entire time. Her possibly being involved has just been too in-your-face for me.

Originally Posted by Smithy

And i don't get how you can be unhappy about Cece being A but would be happy with wren because of a relationship with bethany, a character who hasn't been introduced until season 5 (ep 100!!!)

Because the theories I like don't suggest Bethany as A. My issue with late-introduced characters is them being the mystery bad guy behind everything, I don't have as much of a problem with a character introduced later being part of the catalyst for the villain (but yes, I'd have liked the Bethany stuff to have been revealed earlier also).

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yes, they've put nearly everyone in the frame at one point, but they didn't just make CeCe seem shady briefly for a little while, she's essentially walked around with a sign over her head saying "I'M SHADY LOOK AT ME" the entire time. Her possibly being involved has just been too in-your-face for me.

Because the theories I like don't suggest Bethany as A. My issue with late-introduced characters is them being the mystery bad guy behind everything, I don't have as much of a problem with a character introduced later being part of the catalyst for the villain (but yes, I'd have liked the Bethany stuff to have been revealed earlier also).

But at the same time, they've made her Alisons best friend, Since we've found out she's alive, Alison has relied on Cece so I'm guessing the majority of viewers don't see her as a threat anymore, Cece has helped hide Alison, helped her flee Ravenswood and Alison helped her escape to Paris, plus she came back in the xmas ep and comforted Alison over her mums death, she acts protective over her when the other girls are about too. It's a smart move on the writers part because after making her a suspect for a while, they've made her seem like she's actually on Alison's side and she was a red herring like all the other A suspects, when in fact she's actually Big A

And tbh, it's the same in the books, and it's done really well, just because the character hasn't been in it from the beginning won't make it any less exciting when it's all revealed, it acts as a credit to the writers (for a change) because they planned it out pretty well. I'm excited for the girls to find out she's A in 6A finale and then we have a series and a half of Cece's background and what has fuelled her hatred for so long

Would you been happy with Cece being A if she had been in it since the starts of S3 instead of halfway through 3A?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But at the same time, they've made her Alisons best friend, Since we've found out she's alive, Alison has relied on Cece so I'm guessing the majority of viewers don't see her as a threat anymore, Cece has helped hide Alison, helped her flee Ravenswood and Alison helped her escape to Paris, plus she came back in the xmas ep and comforted Alison over her mums death, she acts protective over her when the other girls are about too. It's a smart move on the writers part because after making her a suspect for a while, they've made her seem like she's actually on Alison's side and she was a red herring like all the other A suspects, when in fact she's actually Big A

Yeah, you are right tbh, they've definitely toned down the shady-factor with her.

Originally Posted by Smithy

And tbh, it's the same in the books, and it's done really well, just because the character hasn't been in it from the beginning won't make it any less exciting when it's all revealed, it acts as a credit to the writers (for a change) because they planned it out pretty well. I'm excited for the girls to find out she's A in 6A finale and then we have a series and a half of Cece's background and what has fuelled her hatred for so long

They could definitely still have the reveal be exciting etc, but the fact that there were 6 episodes of this second A terrorising the girls before we even knew she existed will still be in the back of my mind. That's just me and my preference though, I'm very fussy with my mysteries.

Originally Posted by Smithy

Would you been happy with Cece being A if she had been in it since the starts of S3 instead of halfway through 3A?

Sure. I mean, her being a leading suspect for ages would definitely niggle a bit, but I'd definitely be okay with it being CeCe if we knew her since at least the start of Season 3.

All that aside though, the motive is probably the most important thing. They could have a really cool, shocking reveal and then ruin it by having the motive be utter ****. If they reveal A as CeCe and make it work with the motive etc, I'd be fine. A little underwhelmed sure, but fine.

I'm still hoping against hope that it's Wren, though. (though even with my Wren suspicion, I'd be more than happy for CeCe to be fully involved along with him).

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah, you are right tbh, they've definitely toned down the shady-factor with her.

They could definitely still have the reveal be exciting etc, but the fact that there were 6 episodes of this second A terrorising the girls before we even knew she existed will still be in the back of my mind. That's just me and my preference though, I'm very fussy with my mysteries.

Sure. I mean, her being a leading suspect for ages would definitely niggle a bit, but I'd definitely be okay with it being CeCe if we knew her since at least the start of Season 3.

All that aside though, the motive is probably the most important thing. They could have a really cool, shocking reveal and then ruin it by having the motive be utter ****. If they reveal A as CeCe and make it work with the motive etc, I'd be fine. A little underwhelmed sure, but fine.

I'm still hoping against hope that it's Wren, though. (though even with my Wren suspicion, I'd be more than happy for CeCe to be fully involved along with him).

i do get what you're saying about it being odd that A wasn't even introduced to the show, while the girls were still getting messages but i just reckon it'd have been really obvious, a new character is introduced and the first text the girls get from new A is

"Mona played with dolls. I play with body parts. Game on, bitches. –A."

I do think Wren could be involved, the last we saw him, he was colouring in a girl in a red coat, and he was the one who let Cece in to see Mona when she was in Radley, but then again, he could have just been really naive in thinking that she could help mona

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Also dollface what would you say would be Melissa's motive against the other girls? Fair enough i could potentially understand her being against Spencer and Ali but why Aria/Em/Hanna?

Crap, I don't know

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Dollface

It's unlikely Wren is A but Melissa has plenty of motive

Originally Posted by Dollface

Crap, I don't know

looks like we're back to Queen C A

[Dollface]

I'm re-watching season 1 and Emily's mum really pisses me off

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I'm re-watching season 1 and Emily's mum really pisses me off

I have just started season 1

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Smithy

looks like we're back to Queen C A

I just thought about her resentment towards Ali and Spencer, i forgot about Aria/Emily/Hanna

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I have just started season 1

Are you liking it so far? What ep are you on?

and

DO YOU LOVE WREN?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Are you liking it so far? What ep are you on?

and

DO YOU LOVE WREN?

Episode 5!
and he's hot
my favourite girl is Spencer

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Episode 5!
and he's hot
my favourite girl is Spencer

He's seriously like the hottest thing i've ever seen in my life
omg me too! I love Spencer and Hanna Aria & Emily annoy me though

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I do think Wren could be involved, the last we saw him, he was colouring in a girl in a red coat, and he was the one who let Cece in to see Mona when she was in Radley, but then again, he could have just been really naive in thinking that she could help mona

Speaking of Wren's drawing, some of the theories I read pointed out how it was similar to Bethany's sketches.

Sorry, I just really want him to be connected to Bethany, I'd love it. Until the show confirms otherwise, I'm going with the theory that Bethany was Wren's sister / half sister adopted to another family and who inherited their father's schizophrenia. I really want this to happen.

She'll most likely be related to the DiLaurentis family, though.

[Smithy]

But Wren is British, why would his sister be in a mental institute in the US rather than the UK and with an American accent?

Plus Wren would have still been in college when Bethany was killed because it was only after Alison disappeared that he got with Melissa and graduated

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But Wren is British, why would his sister be in a mental institute in the US rather than the UK and with an American accent?

Plus Wren would have still been in college when Bethany was killed because it was only after Alison disappeared that he got with Melissa and graduated

You make some good points lmao

[Dollface]

Season 1 is making me really wish Hanna & Lucas got together, they'd of made such a cute couple

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Dollface

You make some good points lmao

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But Wren is British, why would his sister be in a mental institute in the US rather than the UK and with an American accent?

That's why I specified her being adopted to another family (she could have been put up for adoption, and the family she ended up with moved to the US) or being a half sister. Her father could have had her with an American woman who took custody and raised her with a new partner who she see as her father. It's not massively far-fetched (unlike plenty of other stuff on this show ).

And if not a sister, he could still be connected to her. His family experience with mental illness could prompted him to volunteer with mental illness patients and he may have met Bethany and formed a strong bond with her / developed feelings for her, etc.

Originally Posted by Smithy

Plus Wren would have still been in college when Bethany was killed because it was only after Alison disappeared that he got with Melissa and graduated

If he first got with Melissa after Alison disappeared (which was also after Bethany disappeared), that adds up perfectly if his relationship with Melissa is an act on his part.

Of course, him studying at Oxford during the time that Bethany died would be problematic, but I don't see why he could never have been in the US during that time, even for a short period.

Like I said, it probably won't happen, but I'd love it if it did. It's probably my favourite theory (I didn't think of it so that's not me being arrogant ), so I'm sticking with it (even though I don't fully expect it to happen) until the show 100% debunks it.

[Ninastar]

omg this is all so confusing

ima have to read this from like 3 pages back

[andybigbro]

Looking forward to the next episode

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Season 1 is making me really wish Hanna & Lucas got together, they'd of made such a cute couple

No I like Hannah and Caleb together

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

No I like Hannah and Caleb together

same

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Season 1 is making me really wish Hanna & Lucas got together, they'd of made such a cute couple

Same! I want them to be together,

Hannah + Lucas >> Hanna+Caleb

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

No I like Hannah and Caleb together

am i the only one that kinda wants Caleb and Spencer to get together?
They have chemistry imo

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Same! I want them to be together,

Hannah + Lucas >> Hanna+Caleb