[joeysteele]

The Police have said there is a rise in reported hate crimes or incidents.

Sadly there are a few who refuse to warrant that a change in tone and indeed action against others has increased since this referendum and post its result.

How serious do things have to get before people have the right to report when they are now ,feeling unsafe and fearful, in what should be a 'safe' country the UK.
Just because it doesn't sit cosily with some who are maybe also fearful that one day this referendum could end up being seen as the most inflammatory ingredient to bringing out the worst in a minority of people who are racist, xenophobic and prejudiced.

When did we last have an MP doing her job,being stabbed and shot in the street because of her support of refugees and being in favour of immigration.
A good number it is reported of women MPs have had death threats and one is standing down as an MP, because of them and massive fears for her safety.

That is those in higher public life, now try to imagine if the scum who are racist and xenophobic are not bothered about how they go about people in higher public life, what will they be like to those ordinary people from other Countries when they come across them.

Things like we voted to leave the EU and get rid of you lot.
What has happened is the cowardly filth that are racist and xenophobic, now think they have been given licence from this referendum to show more of their rotten sick prejudices.

Why more hate incidents are being reported and dealt with now is because the tone has got stronger, the threats far worse and things are far more intimidating for those on the receiving end of it.
A little understanding as to how those people feel, rather than try to justify in any way or belittle racist and xenophobic attacks,verbal or otherwise on innocent people, would not go amiss in my view.

This post will be wasted on any who may read it,on and off here, who may be hardliners or who just cannot accept, or maybe even don't want to admit, this referendum has helped bring out the worst in a prejudiced minority.
However MPs of all parties are disgusted at what they are getting told in their constituencies, from the PM downwards.

It isn't the people from other Countries in my view who should not be in the UK, it is the rotten sick racist and xenophobic of our so called own people who shouldn't be.
How anyone can even try to belittle this rise in hate incidents is totally beyond me,unbelievable.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The Police have said there is a rise in reported hate crimes or incidents.

Sadly there are a few who refuse to warrant that a change in tone and indeed action against others has increased since this referendum and post its result.

How serious do things have to get before people have the right to repost when they are now ,feeling unsafe and fearful, in what should be a 'safe' country the UK.
Just because it doesn't sit cosily with some who are maybe also fearful that one day this referendum could end up being seen as the most inflammatory ingredient to bringing out the worst in a minority of people who are racist, xenophobic and prejudiced.

When did we last have an MP doing her job,being stabbed and shot in the street because of her support of refugees and being in favour of immigration.
A good number it is reported of women MPs have had death threats and one is standing down as an MP, because of them and massive fears for her safety.

That is those in higher public life, now try to imagine if the scum who are racist and xenophobic are not bothered about how they go about people in higher public life, what will they be like to those ordinary people from other Countries when they come across them.

Things like we voted to leave the EU and get rid of you lot.
What has happened is the cowardly filth that are racist and xenophobic, now think they have been given licence from this referendum to show more of their rotten sick prejudices.

Why more hate incidents are being reported and dealt with now is because the tone has got stronger, the threats far worse and things are far more intimidating for those on the receiving end of it.
A little understanding as to how those people feel, rather than try to justify in any way or belittle racist and xenophobic attacks,verbal or otherwise on innocent people, would not go amiss in my view.

This post will be wasted on hardliners who just cannot accept, or maybe even don't want to admit, this referendum has helped bring out the worst in a prejudiced minority.However MPs of all parties are disgusted at what they are getting told in their constituencies, from the PM downwards.

It isn't the people from other Countries in my view who should not be in the UK, it is the rotten sick racist and xenophobic of our so called own people who shouldn't be.
How anyone can even try to belittle this rise in hate incidents is totally beyond me,unbelievable.

I do not try to 'belittle' any rise in hate crime - and neither does LT from what I can see - but what we are both saying, is:

1. How many of the largely unchecked and uncheckable reports of hate crime are genuine? Because without knowing this, the figures are meaningless, and it is not 'reaching' to entertain the possibility that certain political factions may have seized this opportunity to discredit Brexit.

2. Is there any irrefutable PROOF that any rise in racism has been CAUSED by the Brexit decision? Because my logic decrees that it is far more likely that a 'Remain' decision would have triggered any racists to vent their frustration by attacking or abusing 'Foreigners'.

In any event, I find it baffling when ALL the facts and figures which I have posted showing the REAL negative data of our 42 year membership of the EU is readily dismissed as 'meaningless' but less verifiable data is held up as Gospel simply because that data dovetails with certain views.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not try to 'belittle' any rise in hate crime - and neither does LT from what I can see - but what we are both saying, is:

1. How many of the largely unchecked and uncheckable reports of hate crime are genuine? Because without knowing this, the figures are meaningless, and it is not 'reaching' to entertain the possibility that certain political factions may have seized this opportunity to discredit Brexit.

2. Is there any irrefutable PROOF that any rise in racism has been CAUSED by the Brexit decision? Because my logic decrees that it is far more likely that a 'Remain' decision would have triggered any racists to vent their frustration by attacking or abusing 'Foreigners'.

In any event, I find it baffling when ALL the facts and figures which I have posted showing the REAL negative data of our 42 year membership of the EU is readily dismissed as 'meaningless' but less verifiable data is held up as Gospel simply because that data dovetails with certain views.

I couldn't care how many of them are genuine or not, I do not however think people go to the Police with this lightly.
I have overheard myself some things I am disgusted with.
Also I made no reverence to anyone directly either.
What has 42 years in the EU now got to do with people becoming victims of racism, xenophobia and suffering intimidation and death threats at this time.

MPs are saying their surgeries have had people coming fearful for their future safety and being told to get out of the Country.

I again mention we had an MP stabbed to death and shot for her stand for refugees,I mentioned other MPs too, one who has had so bad as to death threats she is giving up her career in politics.

Go and talk to an MP like Anna Soubry and others, who will relay the disgusting and hateful things they have seen and heard during the referendum campaign and since.

The fact the police are getting a significant rise in the reporting of these hate incidents and that they will be investigating them leaves me to believe they take them very seriously.

How does one know when a hate threat or death threat is genuine, who knows, however if someone can be shown to have made them, then they deserve all that comes to them.

That's what should be done, or do some just want to sit back and just wait for more innocent people to be accosted, attacked, stabbed and shot as the MP was before it's said, 'oh yes, there may be something worse going on now'.