[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is not new Arista, when the Oxford vaccine was approved yesterday, they advised that the vaccine worked better if the time between first and second doses was longer than 3 weeks but less than 12. As the vaccine has stopped hospitalisation 10 days after the first jab, it allows us to protect more people quicker

Phew ... that’s a relief ... although 500,000 people are supposedly wondering when they will actually be getting their second jab .. plus apparently all the ‘modelling’ was done on the basis of a three week gap between doses NOT a 12 week one


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[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Phew ... that’s a relief ... although 500,000 people are supposedly wondering when they will actually be getting their second jab .. plus apparently all the ‘modelling’ was done on the basis of a three week gap between doses NOT a 12 week one


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I think those 500,000 are the Pztzier vaccine which is entirely different, I think the technique for that may be the same of 4 weeks? Not entirely sure

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I think those 500,000 are the Pztzier vaccine which is entirely different, I think the technique for that may be the same of 4 weeks? Not entirely sure

Sky are saying it’s the Pztzier vaccine that they are talking about ... and it’s one million not 500,000 that will have their second jab delayed by 9 weeks

Pztzier are apparently washing their hands of things ... saying all their models and data were based on the 21 day gap and they didn’t test any longer than that


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[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is not new Arista, when the Oxford vaccine was approved yesterday, they advised that the vaccine worked better if the time between first and second doses was longer than 3 weeks but less than 12. As the vaccine has stopped hospitalisation 10 days after the first jab, it allows us to protect more people quicker

Yes but it is a Topic on many
News and Live debates, today

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is not new Arista, when the Oxford vaccine was approved yesterday, they advised that the vaccine worked better if the time between first and second doses was longer than 3 weeks but less than 12. As the vaccine has stopped hospitalisation 10 days after the first jab, it allows us to protect more people quicker

Spin doctoring; a 3 month wait between first and second dose is a disaster and we have no idea if it will create effective long-term immunity. They're taking the verified test data and saying "Umm nah we're going to try something else"... and many GP surgeries are actually refusing to follow the "new advice".

It's likely to end up with people needing a 3rd dose or even needing to restart the entire process, in an environment of limited supply.

Utter mess.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Spin doctoring; a 3 month wait between first and second dose is a disaster and we have no idea if it will create effective long-term immunity. They're taking the verified test data and saying "Umm nah we're going to try something else"... and many GP surgeries are actually refusing to follow the "new advice".

It's likely to end up with people needing a 3rd dose or even needing to restart the entire process, in an environment of limited supply.

Utter mess.

Yes, yet another, and such a predictable utter mess. But this will allow the government to claim they've been successful as more people will have been 'vaccinated'. Such a short sighted and risky move.

This is just another example of creating false hope in an attempt to maintain support. They boasted about the numbers of people who were being tested, whilst concealing the fact that results were not being returned in adequate time because the test and trace system was not functioning effectively.

They can have as many million vaccines as they like, but unless they have the systems in place to ensure vaccinations can take place safely and quickly, it means nothing. A bit like all the PPE they had but failed to deliver effectively...

Dismal.

[user104658]

The advice and process for literally any adult vaccine you might get is that if you miss the 2nd dose window then you have to wait a while and then restart with the first dose again.

This decision goes against the advice of the people who made and tested the vaccine, and there are thousands of doctors speaking out against it, even GP's saying that they will not follow this advice with their patients.

Its an absolute joke. A dangerous shambles. Anyone who agrees to this is volunteering themselves to guinneapig an untested method and will at the end of the day have absolutely no idea if they're protected or not.

My advice is, if you're not in one of the MOST vulnerable groups, WAIT until they abandon this madness and until you're relatively sure that you'll get the proper dosage with the proper spacing as tested.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The advice and process for literally any adult vaccine you might get is that if you miss the 2nd dose window then you have to wait a while and then restart with the first dose again.

This decision goes against the advice of the people who made and tested the vaccine, and there are thousands of doctors speaking out against it, even GP's saying that they will not follow this advice with their patients.

Its an absolute joke. A dangerous shambles. Anyone who agrees to this is volunteering themselves to guinneapig an untested method and will at the end of the day have absolutely no idea if they're protected or not.

My advice is, if you're not in one of the MOST vulnerable groups, WAIT until they abandon this madness and until you're relatively sure that you'll get the proper dosage with the proper spacing as tested.

[arista]

[Kizzy]

What reason have they given for the 3 month gap?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What reason have they given for the 3 month gap?

The new idea is to vaccine as many people as possible with one dose as soon as possible to slow the infection rate down and worry about the second dose later


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The new idea is to vaccine as many people as possible with one dose as soon as possible to slow the infection rate down and worry about the second dose later


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Just ludicrous, knee-jerk, anti-scientific nonsense. The focus should be on rolling out - PROPERLY - as fast as possible.

This is them sticking their thumb in the dam and hoping for the best.

Plus you'll have a bunch of people heading out after their first shot thinking they're "probably protected" and half of them catching Covid.

I'm honestly low-key furious. There's bad decisions and then there's this catastrophe.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just ludicrous, knee-jerk, anti-scientific nonsense. The focus should be on rolling out - PROPERLY - as fast as possible.
I'm honestly low-key furious. There's bad decisions and then there's this catastrophe.

This totally sums up my response. I'm swinging between feelings of utter dismay and anger. Yes sadly, none of these decisions surprise me any more. It's what I've learnt to expect from this government. Foolish decision after foolish decision...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The new idea is to vaccine as many people as possible with one dose as soon as possible to slow the infection rate down and worry about the second dose later


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That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Covid: 12-week vaccine gap defended by UK medical chiefs



[The UK's chief medical officers have
defended the Covid vaccination plan,
after criticism from a doctors' union.
The UK will give both parts of the Oxford and
Pfizer vaccines 12 weeks apart,
having initially planned to leave
21 days between the Pfizer jabs.

The British Medical Association said
cancelling patients booked in for
their second doses was "grossly unfair".

But the chief medical officers said getting
more people vaccinated with
the first jab "is much more preferable".

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was the first jab
approved in the UK, and 944,539 people
have had their first jab.

The first person to get the jab on 8 December,
Margaret Keenan, has already had her second jab.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55503739

[arista]

[arista]

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[bots]

it was the vaccination board together with the Chief medical officers of each country that made the decision on the vaccination strategy so I trust them to have studied the data and made the right decision

[Ammi]

GPs criticise ‘unfair’ decision to delay second dose of Covid vaccines...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/gps-critic...122711416.html

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was the vaccination board together with the Chief medical officers of each country that made the decision on the vaccination strategy so I trust them to have studied the data and made the right decision

...this is too important to place to ‘trust’, though, I feel...because of the potential lives involved...the delay absolutely should be questioned and assured that the vaccine will still have the same effectiveness...didn’t those same Chief Medical Officers, back in the day last Spring...say that mask wearing for healthy public would be a totally pointless thing...and yet...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is too important to place to ‘trust’, though, I feel...because of the potential lives involved...the delay absolutely should be questioned and assured that the vaccine will still have the same effectiveness...didn’t those same Chief Medical Officers, back in the day last Spring...say that mask wearing for healthy public would be a totally pointless thing...and yet...

Plus they were the ones that took nearly 12 WEEKS to acknowledge that loss/ change in smell or taste were a key / obvious sign of Covid when everyone plus their uncle were reporting it as a symptom ... now it’s listed above the damn cough in the adverts


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is too important to place to ‘trust’, though, I feel...because of the potential lives involved...the delay absolutely should be questioned and assured that the vaccine will still have the same effectiveness...didn’t those same Chief Medical Officers, back in the day last Spring...say that mask wearing for healthy public would be a totally pointless thing...and yet...

we don't have access to the vaccine data, most doctors don't either. The vaccine board and the CMO's do.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we don't have access to the vaccine data, most doctors don't either. The vaccine board and the CMO's do.

...yeah, for sure they do Bots....and for that reason I feel that any huge changes to the vaccine doses and procedures etc, should be fully explained and reassured when life preservation is involved...because in the same way, I’m sure that 2/3 weeks wasn’t something that was just randomly chosen and we totally placed trust in that, did we not...?...so explaining why any effectiveness won’t be lost with the much extended time, is keeping with that trust ...which has to be a two way thing always...and although GP’s are just that ‘general practitioners’ with no specific medical specialisation...they do have enough medical knowledge to also question and ask for clarification, which it seems that many are...

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....didn’t those same Chief Medical Officers, back in the day last Spring...say that mask wearing for healthy public would be a totally pointless thing...and yet...

They chose to say this because we didn't have enough PPE or the effective system to distribute it, and they couldn't risk the general public buying masks when they didn't have enough for those on the front line.

Logic told us back then that masks would help. That's why medical staff wear them and why people in countries that experience more viruses wear them as a matter of course.

I think it's obvious at times that the government's chosen medical officers are not entirely comfortable with what they are coerced into saying, but know they have to comply. Often more is revealed by what they don't say. I get the impression that JVT has, on occasions, said more than politicians are happy about. I simply don't fully trust what they are saying and base my opinions on what is said by independent medical and scientific experts.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was the vaccination board together with the Chief medical officers of each country that made the decision on the vaccination strategy so I trust them to have studied the data and made the right decision

When the counter-voice is the people who made and tested the various vaccines and they are saying it's the wrong way to use it, you might want to consider where to place your trust.