[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When it comes to DIY, paint and wallpaper should not be sold, decorating is not essential and if people want to decorate in a lockdown, they should buy that **** online. Most other typical DIY items would be considered essential. When it comes to the garden stuff, anything decorative should be prohibited and sales in stores should be restricted to stuff like produce seeds. Toys should be locked off.

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I agree with this! DIY/paint/wallpaper is not essential and should just order it online which helps other companies that are closed. I would also say games/dvds too Game and HMV are closed but still deliver.

People do find an excuse just to go to a supermarket so stuff needs to be done about that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I agree with this! DIY/paint/wallpaper is not essential and should just order it online which helps other companies that are closed. I would also say games/dvds too Game and HMV are closed but still deliver.

The problem is discrimination though, it's making an assumption that everyone has the means to and is in the situation to order from the internet, which is easy to assume, but simply not always true. So it's effectively taking the people in the worst position already and saying "tough **** we can just get this stuff online, it's not our problem that you can't".

[Vanessa]

I get everything online now.
So much easier.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem is discrimination though, it's making an assumption that everyone has the means to and is in the situation to order from the internet, which is easy to assume, but simply not always true. So it's effectively taking the people in the worst position already and saying "tough **** we can just get this stuff online, it's not our problem that you can't".

I think they can cope without redecorating for a few weeks, TS.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The distinction of what makes a shop essential is just too broad.

Do you sell cleaning products? Pet stuff? Any kind of food, medicine or hygienic stuff? DIY tools for repairs? You're essential regardless.

I could easily dictate what is and what isn't essential, let's take the B&M/Home Bargains type places as an example. First off, rope off the majority of the home living sections, leaving only the basics such as lights, candles, blankets etc. Secondly, write off most of the stationary section, and only offer essentials such as pens, basic notepads, and potentially common computer items and such.

When it comes to DIY, paint and wallpaper should not be sold, decorating is not essential and if people want to decorate in a lockdown, they should buy that **** online. Most other typical DIY items would be considered essential. When it comes to the garden stuff, anything decorative should be prohibited and sales in stores should be restricted to stuff like produce seeds. Toys should be locked off.

Rope off those kind of things and you'll get a lot less people coming in for bull****. Honestly, these types of shops really need to be limited in opening hours and times though. People use these places as an excuse to browse more than anything else.

I would honestly be here for shops not opening if their core function isn't essential, but it'll never happen, the best thing we can do is give morons a reason not to flood these places by roping off the non-essentials.

Thing is, all those “”essentials” you mentioned in HB/B&M are all available in most Tesco’s/Asda’s.
I’ve been in HB once this year and it was full of folk wandering about aimlessly, with their baskets full of ****e. No consideration for social distancingat all either. I ended up thinking I was about to get a hiding from a misshapen lady wearing no bra, and I vowed never to go back until this is all over.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think they can cope without redecorating for a few weeks, TS.

Everyone can cope without redecorating forever but that's not really the point, it contributes to disparities and a forgotten underclass. I know it's tempting to say "that stuff doesn't matter right now" but... well... it does. Saying that "most people can get that sort of thing online and the rest, well, whatever, they can do without" is problematic for a whole bunch of reasons.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I’ve been in HB once this year and it was full of folk wandering about aimlessly, with their baskets full of ****e.

It wouldn't be the full Home Bargains experience otherwise .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Thing is, all those “”essentials” you mentioned in HB/B&M are all available in most Tesco’s/Asda’s.
I’ve been in HB once this year and it was full of folk wandering about aimlessly, with their baskets full of ****e. No consideration for social distancingat all either. I ended up thinking I was about to get a hiding from a misshapen lady wearing no bra, and I vowed never to go back until this is all over.

...hmmmmm, maybe she went in there to get a bra and was looking for the bra aisle...

[Tom4784]

Also the idea of branding shops not selling certain items as discrimination is just a ridiculous concept.

This is a pandemic, what's so difficult to understand about that? I've not seen my friends in person for months, I've had to work throughout this pandemic, putting myself at risk for a hateful public that would spit in my face for it. I can't have sympathy for people not being able to buy pointless ****.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem is discrimination though, it's making an assumption that everyone has the means to and is in the situation to order from the internet, which is easy to assume, but simply not always true. So it's effectively taking the people in the worst position already and saying "tough **** we can just get this stuff online, it's not our problem that you can't".

But DIY/Wallpaper/paint isn't really important to buy definitely not worth the risk getting corona and spreading it to whoever your living with and your bubble if you have one because you know non maskers are a thing and are never challenged.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Also the idea of branding shops not selling certain items as discrimination is just a ridiculous concept.

Again the question is who decides, I don't trust retail staff to consider it properly or get it right. That might be a bit blunt but there it is.

This is a pandemic, what's so difficult to understand about that? I've not seen my friends in person for months, I've had to work throughout this pandemic, putting myself at risk for a hateful public that would spit in my face for it. I can't have sympathy for people not being able to buy pointless ****.

It's a bit fascinating that you seem to imagine that you're alone in this or have been worse affected than others?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Everyone can cope without redecorating forever but that's not really the point, it contributes to disparities and a forgotten underclass. I know it's tempting to say "that stuff doesn't matter right now" but... well... it does. Saying that "most people can get that sort of thing online and the rest, well, whatever, they can do without" is problematic for a whole bunch of reasons.

...I guess that it’s a difficult one though because I see Dezzy’s points also, which make complete sense...if essential were stripped back, as it were to be living essentials...then there is no underclass or over class etc...for instance and getting off topic a bit...when there is stock piling and panic buying etc...?...those who can’t afford to do that, who are living on low incomes and furlough reduced incomes etc and can’t afford to buy any extras...would also be ‘the underclass’...as opposed to ‘the privileged’ who are able to stock pile...it’s very layered...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LukeB

But DIY/Wallpaper/paint isn't really important to buy definitely not worth the risk getting corona and spreading it to whoever your living with and your bubble if you have one because you know non maskers are a thing and are never challenged.

Yes. Anything non essential should be bought online.
Like shoes, for example.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It worked well in Spain during the first lockdowns, you had certain shops open on certain days and closed on others because people were made to limit their trips outside. If people like you just did your weekly shop and left it at that then things would go back to normal quicker but no, you need your throws, your cushions, your wallpaper.

Limit supermarkets and the bigger shops, leave smaller shops open for every day essentials since it's easier to keep control over them. You'd see an improvement immediately.

Spain/Canary Islands also had people checking what people have bought and if they found stuff that isn't food they got fined so i doubt anyone took the piss going to the supermarket over there.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again the question is who decides, I don't trust retail staff to consider it properly or get it right. That might be a bit blunt but there it is.



It's a bit fascinating that you seem to imagine that you're alone in this or have been worse affected than others?

Where did I say I've suffered worse than anyone? Perhaps you should stick to what I've actually said instead of trying to stuff words down my throat, you're less likely to embarrass yourself that way. Now, if you're done with trying and failing to make out I've written something I haven't, let's get back to the topic, shall we?

What makes you think shop workers decide what gets to be sold or prohibited? It's a bit of a silly point to make since they aren't the ones that make the decisions. If the government mandate the restriction of items sold in shops, then what will happen is that a list of items to be taken off the shelves (or roped off) will come in from above and the shop workers will do just that.

[arista]

[Kizzy]

I say click and collect only is the way to go for B&Q. There could be a sign up only phone line ordering system for collection perhaps for those for whom online shopping isn't possible.
They've had almost a year to find alternative shopping arrangements for all their customers. Those stores are huge a skeleton staff for phone only orders / click and collect would at least keep the business/ jobs going.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Imagine comparing working out at a gym, something you're meant to do multiple times a week, to going to the supermarket, something people only really need to do once a week and expecting a good valid comparison .

Gyms, when open, are more likely to have consistent numbers because people will be likely to go there multiple times a week. If people stuck to the guidelines and actually only went out to do their big shop once a week instead of browsing to kill time multiple times a week than limiting shop hours wouldn't be a problem.

The problem here is that you're expecting retail workers to suffer for the public's bad habits rather than accept the fact that the public are the problem.

I agree with you here, there is really no need if you have to go to a supermarket to go more than once a week..no need at all. Produce lasts well if stored correctly meat has a good few days on as a rule or can be frozen.
And surely to God now everyone has enough loo roll and baked beans for at least a week!

[Alf]

Rumour has it that this is gonna go on until 2025.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

Rumour has it that this is gonna go on until 2025.

What !!!

Our bog rolls supply will only last till mid 2023 !




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[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I agree with you here, there is really no need if you have to go to a supermarket to go more than once a week..no need at all. Produce lasts well if stored correctly meat has a good few days on as a rule or can be frozen.
And surely to God now everyone has enough loo roll and baked beans for at least a week!

Hopefully people can actually do their actual shop this time around without any idiots panic buying making people having to come back for an item that they really need. I do say vulnerable should be the first ones to do their shopping like last time. Someone shouldn't have to die because someone wants wallpaper.

[Zizu]

On a serious note ... now I’m not certain which vaccines they are producing BUT I just heard someone on LBC report that India have tonight put a total ban on exporting vaccines produced in their country ..

This may or not be disastrous for the uk I really can’t say but it doesn’t sound like a good development ..


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where did I say I've suffered worse than anyone? Perhaps you should stick to what I've actually said instead of trying to stuff words down my throat, you're less likely to embarrass yourself that way. Now, if you're done with trying and failing to make out I've written something I haven't, let's get back to the topic, shall we?

It felt like you were leveraging the ways you've suffered from the pandemic and lockdowns as a sort of mandate to an authoritative voice on what's right/fair, I was merely pointing out that some of those things apply to literally everyone and others to a lot of people, so it really means nothing, at all, that you haven't seen your friends or have had to work through the pandemic . It doesn't bolster your opinion. It's fine to mention it but it seems sort of moot.

What makes you think shop workers decide what gets to be sold or prohibited? It's a bit of a silly point to make since they aren't the ones that make the decisions. If the government mandate the restriction of items sold in shops, then what will happen is that a list of items to be taken off the shelves (or roped off) will come in from above and the shop workers will do just that.

The silly incidents previously with various shops roping off areas with absolutely no consistency even within the same company, let alone across all retail, suggests to me that this far at least it very much has been left up to shop employees (at least managers) to make these decisions, especially as a lot of the dumber decisions were put down to "misinterpretation of the guidelines". Which makes it clear that there would need to be very specific instructions on what to sell and what not to sell, as shop teams can't be trusted to come to the same consistent conclusions when interpreting looser advice... And if one shop continues selling a product whilst another deems it unnecessary it all just falls apart.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

On a serious note ... now I’m not certain which vaccines they are producing BUT I just heard someone on LBC report that India have tonight put a total ban on exporting vaccines produced in their country ..

This may or not be disastrous for the uk I really can’t say but it doesn’t sound like a good development ..


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Very trumpian. ..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

On a serious note ... now I’m not certain which vaccines they are producing BUT I just heard someone on LBC report that India have tonight put a total ban on exporting vaccines produced in their country ..

This may or not be disastrous for the uk I really can’t say but it doesn’t sound like a good development ..


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As far as I know, none of the UK's supply is manufactured there. The UK supply of Oxford/Astra is mainly produced domestically on Britain with a few more sites in Europe. I think any Pfizer for the UK is made in mainland Europe (Germany?). I doubt Pfizer would even survive transport from India tbh.