[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah but that was more in the sense of "Arya Stark of the north who has a family and grudges and the north remembers and is also a badass assassin with a list", rather than Arya Stark who wants to go home...

Like, I think she WILL go home, but only if and when her list is complete.

aww i really want to see her back home again but maybe that would make her boring too and she's my fav

[Novo]

Just when we think the Dorne lot have all been slaughtered they will introduce Quentyn to the show and will go to Dragonstone to try and simp Daenerys

[user104658]

Are the Dornish and Tyrell armies actually slaughtered btw? I'm sure the fleets were on their way to COLLECT the armies and bring them back (having unloaded the Dothraki and Unsullied at dragonstone), so the ships were basically empty / operating on a skeleton crew which is what made them an easy target for Euron to destroy. So surely the actual armies are still in Dorne / Highgarden waiting to be collected... Though of course, they now have no ships nor sailing crew.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are the Dornish and Tyrell armies actually slaughtered btw? I'm sure the fleets were on their way to COLLECT the armies and bring them back (having unloaded the Dothraki and Unsullied at dragonstone), so the ships were basically empty / operating on a skeleton crew which is what made them an easy target for Euron to destroy. So surely the actual armies are still in Dorne / Highgarden waiting to be collected... Though of course, they now have no ships nor sailing crew.

The Dornish army are still alive but out of reach, I think. The Tyrell army is still kicking about but I assume the fallout from Daenerys losing the Dornish army will be that she'll be forced to take the throne in a way she didn't want. She'll have to use her own army which will create a situation where she's feared and not loved like she was in Slaver's Bay which Cersei will turn to her advantage.

It'll lead to an ironic situation where Daenerys has the power but not the hearts of the people which will cause them to rally with Cersei.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Dornish army are still alive but out of reach, I think. The Tyrell army is still kicking about but I assume the fallout from Daenerys losing the Dornish army will be that she'll be forced to take the throne in a way she didn't want. She'll have to use her own army which will create a situation where she's feared and not loved like she was in Slaver's Bay which Cersei will turn to her advantage.

It'll lead to an ironic situation where Daenerys has the power but not the hearts of the people which will cause them to rally with Cersei.

Daenerys will possibly have house Taryl onside (the talk with Jamie and Randyll about house tarly having honor and not wanting to fight against the Tyrells because of the oath they made was certainly a placed there for a reason) and she was only really loved by the slaves and low borns in Essos anyway she never fully united the people and the noble lords and even in a lot of cases the slaves disliked her rule because they were of the opinion she took away their purpose in life and doing things like closing the fighting pits didn't exactly make her be loved either, she pretty much left places like Astapor in ruin after she " liberated " the people and much worse of the when she arrived

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Dornish army are still alive but out of reach, I think. The Tyrell army is still kicking about but I assume the fallout from Daenerys losing the Dornish army will be that she'll be forced to take the throne in a way she didn't want. She'll have to use her own army which will create a situation where she's feared and not loved like she was in Slaver's Bay which Cersei will turn to her advantage.

It'll lead to an ironic situation where Daenerys has the power but not the hearts of the people which will cause them to rally with Cersei.

I'd imagine that the very same situation is what will prompt her (probably under advisement from Tyrion and Viserys, as set up by her promising to listen) to agree to the alliance with The North whilst nit forcing them to "bend the knee" / agreeing that The North can remain free.

[King Gizzard]

Just watched it again, don't blame Theon tbh. Suffering from PTSD from his time with Ramsay and Euron is cutting people's tongues out left right centre and I think he knew it would trigger Theon

Difference is, Theon didn't bite like Jon Snow did with Ramsay and Rickon, and got away probably saving the life of Yara who might have died in the struggle/had her throats cut if Theon had attacked

[Novo]

Theon is a pretty ****ty person in general really even before he was Reek he was like that so have never really seen him as a so called good guy

In S2 he was sent to the iron islands to get Balon to join an alliance with Robb but just totally turned his back on the family who raised him and who treated him well for years then when him and Yara sailed to take deepwood motte he wasn't content with that and instead ****ed Robb over even more and took over Winterfell, kills innocent people, beheads Rodrik and responsible for Luwin's death.

Not really a fan of Yara but at least she tried to get him to leave Winterfell after he took it and she went to the dreadfort to try and save him after he was tortured by Ramsay, Theon would never have done anything like that for Yara because their is nothing to suggest he had ever been like that

Euron is exactly right about him he is a cockless coward

[user104658]

True, it's hard to sympathise with Theon when you remember that he had two innocent kids killed and burned so that he could pretend it was Bran and Rickon

[King Gizzard]

It's hard to find a character who hasn't been a complete **** though (the Hound killing Arya's friend for example)

I don't really like Theon/prefer Euron really I just didn't see it as that cowardly. Think he might try get back to her

[Locke.]

I hated Theon after he betrayed Robb but think having his dick cut off and all those years of torture and flaying that he paid his price for it.. He redeemed himself a lot by saving Sansa as well. If he hadn't of done that then she'd have probably had a kid before Jon even arrived to fight, and Sansa and the baby would have been slaughtered as well as Rickon.

There should be more loyalty to Yara from him after everything she has done to help him, but can't blame him for jumping overboard really. Would like to say he'll redeem himself further and try to rescue her but I don't think it's possible really.. He's in the middle of the ocean between Dragonstone and Dorne, incredibly far from any other character, with no weapons, no boat, no horse when he gets to land, etc. Not to mention he has never been to King's Landing, knows nobody there to help him, and pretty much every person in Westeros hates him. Long term I think he's Brotherhood bound, not sure for the next few episodes though unless they're bringing Salladhor Saan and the pirates back.

[MTVN]

Maybe if Yara was organising her fleet better rather than getting pissed and having it on with the Dornish woman then they might have noticed fifty of Eurons ship were just about to attack them

[King Gizzard]

Yeah not quite sure how no one raised the alarm sooner, then again Euron's ship Silence would have blended in with the nights sky and none of Euron's crew members have tongues

[MTVN]

This is quite an interesting observation as well

(He beat the Sand Snakes, it turns out, because one of the three stayed back to protect her mother: if all three Sand Snakes had been up on the deck to fight Euron, all the finishing blows we see the surviving Sand Snake deliver to various unnamed pirates, below deck, would have been delivered to Euron. Watch it again: we see SS #1 bump, we see SS #2 set, and then we see SS #3 spike the ball… except then the camera pulls back and we realize that it wasn’t Euron she castrated. The implication is clear: if all three sisters had been up there, they’d have won; but Yara told her to stay below and protect her mother, and she does, apparently dooming them all.)

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/...nes-stormborn/

[Shaun]

A rubbish combat technique if they're useless without each other

[Tom4784]

Flop bitches tbh!

Theon will end up redeeming himself by rescuing Yara, I expect. I don't see the narrative point in keeping her alive since Euron doesn't need to keep her around if Theon doesn't mount a rescue. The common link between both episodes is that the writers are clearing the board of unnecessary players, The Freys were killed off last week, Half of the Dorne characters were killed this week and Cersei will undoubtedly kill the other two next week. Yara would have been killed off this week if they didn't plan on doing something more with her.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Flop bitches tbh!

Theon will end up redeeming himself by rescuing Yara, I expect. I don't see the narrative point in keeping her alive since Euron doesn't need to keep her around if Theon doesn't mount a rescue. The common link between both episodes is that the writers are clearing the board of unnecessary players, The Freys were killed off last week, Half of the Dorne characters were killed this week and Cersei will undoubtedly kill the other two next week. Yara would have been killed off this week if they didn't plan on doing something more with her.

Yeah, especially as Euron was planning to kill them back on the Islands in the first place. He has no use for them, he doesn't want them around, they're a threat to his claim to rule, he specifically wants rid of them and that's why he was tracking them down in the first place... Him not killing Yara is a bit of a plot hole actually... Unless they explain some reason for it next week. She's in the Dany inner circle now so maybe he wants to "gift" her to Cercei along with the others for that reason.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Nathan

It's hard to find a character who hasn't been a complete **** though (the Hound killing Arya's friend for example)

I don't really like Theon/prefer Euron really I just didn't see it as that cowardly. Think he might try get back to her

When the Hound killed Ayra's friend though he was doing the crowns work really he was making ends meet before he decided enough was enough and ****ed off the King, Theon just outright betrayed the house that brought him up for no other reason then Riches and Glory

the Hound has reasons to be the way he is his after his own brother burnt half his face so you can excuse him for being a bit mental where as Theon was brought up better then most people can ever dream off in Westeros and still betrayed them before he was tortured

[Novo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This is quite an interesting observation as well

(He beat the Sand Snakes, it turns out, because one of the three stayed back to protect her mother: if all three Sand Snakes had been up on the deck to fight Euron, all the finishing blows we see the surviving Sand Snake deliver to various unnamed pirates, below deck, would have been delivered to Euron. Watch it again: we see SS #1 bump, we see SS #2 set, and then we see SS #3 spike the ball… except then the camera pulls back and we realize that it wasn’t Euron she castrated. The implication is clear: if all three sisters had been up there, they’d have won; but Yara told her to stay below and protect her mother, and she does, apparently dooming them all.)

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/...nes-stormborn/

One of the mutes wouldn't have come up on deck with a knife to Elleria's throat if them 3 were fighting Euron anyway, then they soon would have dropped their weapons and begged for mercy for their bastard mother

[Locke.]

Maybe the White Walkers will be able to walk across the iced over sea now instead of passing through the Wall

[Novo]

Jon sent the wildings to eastwatch anyway didn't he

[Novo]

That big dopey giant stepping on the ice and breaking it and all the white walker army falling into the sea and Tormund taking all the credit for it

[Locke.]

The Hound mentioned something in his fire vision as well about the dead marching past the castle where the Wall meets the sea

[Smithy]

People that have read the spoilers say eps 4,6 & 7 will be BOTB/WoW level good

SHOOK

[King Gizzard]

To be fair, that last ep was up there