[Marsh.]

"We have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be. To actively do nothing is a decision as well."

Yeah, let's hope something actually changes this time.

[Smithy]

The gays will get things done

[Livia]

It's been such a terrible tragedy, I didn't think this thread could make it feel worse. But it has.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

1) there is 100s of terrorist organisations why focus on ISIS?

2) they are impossible to kill because we dont know who they are, where they are and more importantly their next step

1) Because they are the strongest terrorist organisation in the world, they ****ed the middle east, poor people are suffering for years because of these people also not only that they are attacked to belgium, turkey, sweden etc etc they need to be stopped and it is not only middle east's problem it is the world's problem i dont understand why people dont get this.

2) They are strong in middle east why not attack their homeback and destroy their main support? If you cut their head off they will get weaker and maybe we can save some lives.

[bots]

that text conversation from one of the victims is just heartbreaking

[Wizard.]

Yeah this is heartbreaking, I donated to the victims fund I just tend to not talk about these things online.

[TomC]

Owen actually behaved pretty badly IMO. Don't think he did a good job.

[Kizzy]

He did as well as could be expected considering such a blatant denial of the facts.

[Shaun]

Julia Hartley-Brewer does a stellar job of speaking without any knowledge of what she's talking about on the regular.

[Kizzy]

Barack Obama said there was no indication that the gunman who shot 49 people dead at Pulse in Orlando had been directed from abroad and called the atrocity “an example of home-grown extremism”.

“It appears that the shooter was inspired by various extremist information that was disseminated over the internet,” the President said.

“It does appear that at the last minute he announced allegiance to Isil (Isis) but there is no evidence so far that he was in fact directed by Isil or that it was part of a larger plot.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7079051.html

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He did as well as could be expected considering such a blatant denial of the facts.

What facts?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by TomC

What facts?

The fact he specifically targeted an LGBT venue.

[Jack_]

Owen rightly showed up that abhorrent waste of a channel they call Sky News up for what they are. This was a deliberate, targeted attack on the LGBT community by a man who had openly said he was revulsed by homosexuality. If you can't see that then you shouldn't even be commenting on the story to be quite honest.

People will bend over backwards to try and pretend that this incident has nothing to do with guns but as many have said, it absolutely does. The fact that a civilian can get their hands on a weapon of the ilk that LeatherTrumpet posted is absolutely ****ing astounding, there is no reason whatsoever why anyone should be able to walk into a store and purchase something like that without extremely thorough background checks. It is beyond comprehension.

And lastly, do ~official~ classifications of what is and isn't a 'terrorist' act really matter? Often they are laced in institutionalised racism and quite frankly any person or people who commit an act of mass murder in an instance like this is a terrorist. Who or what they connected to is completely irrelevant when giving them the label.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The fact he specifically targeted an LGBT venue.

Of course he did. And although it's highly likely, we don't know for a fact that it was an attack on the LGBT community exclusively, and in addition to this, this attack affects everyone, for that very reason.

What I take issue with is him saying 'you don't understand, you're not gay.' That is completely incorrect, as we don't know his exact motive, and the fact he's trying to narrow it down to homophobia, when in fact it's a much wider issue of radical Islam that's the issue.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by MelihV

1) Because they are the strongest terrorist organisation in the world, they ****ed the middle east, poor people are suffering for years because of these people also not only that they are attacked to belgium, turkey, sweden etc etc they need to be stopped and it is not only middle east's problem it is the world's problem i dont understand why people dont get this.

2) They are strong in middle east why not attack their homeback and destroy their main support? If you cut their head off they will get weaker and maybe we can save some lives.

The Taliban are the worst

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Owen rightly showed up that abhorrent waste of a channel they call Sky News up for what they are. This was a deliberate, targeted attack on the LGBT community by a man who had openly said he was revulsed by homosexuality. If you can't see that then you shouldn't even be commenting on the story to be quite honest.

People will bend over backwards to try and pretend that this incident has nothing to do with guns but as many have said, it absolutely does. The fact that a civilian can get their hands on a weapon of the ilk that LeatherTrumpet posted is absolutely ****ing astounding, there is no reason whatsoever why anyone should be able to walk into a store and purchase something like that without extremely thorough background checks. It is beyond comprehension.

And lastly, do ~official~ classifications of what is and isn't a 'terrorist' act really matter? Often they are laced in institutionalised racism and quite frankly any person or people who commit an act of mass murder in an instance like this is a terrorist. Who or what they connected to is completely irrelevant when giving them the label.

[TomC]

I'm sorry but I don't understand how there's an issue with anything Sky News actually said?

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you can't see that then you shouldn't even be commenting on the story to be quite honest.

Is this aimed at me?

I can air my views on the matter if I so wish.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by TomC

Of course he did. And although it's highly likely, we don't know for a fact that it was an attack on the LGBT community exclusively, and in addition to this, this attack affects everyone, for that very reason.

What I take issue with is him saying 'you don't understand, you're not gay.' That is completely incorrect, as we don't know his exact motive, and the fact he's trying to narrow it down to homophobia, when in fact it's a much wider issue of radical Islam that's the issue.

Not just that but this is not the first and unfortunately will not be the last attack of its kind around the world. To suggest no one outside of that community of people can understand it is just self centred.

It's literally a global issue of evil people choosing their targets, whether it's because of religion/race/sexuality or any other stupid reason.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by TomC

I'm sorry but I don't understand how there's an issue with anything Sky News actually said?

I could see his issue towards the beginning with the reporters refusal to even make comment to the fact it was an LGBT based attack.

But Jones' behaviour and attitude just made out like he was the spokesperson "for the people". Just sh*t like that grates and makes it about them having a tantrum rather than the much more important events of those whose lives were lost.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not just that but this is not the first and unfortunately will not be the last attack of its kind around the world. To suggest no one outside of that community of people can understand it is just self centred.

It's literally a global issue of evil people choosing their targets, whether it's because of religion/race/sexuality or any other stupid reason.

I agree wholeheartedly. What happened, happened, and will happen again, and who knows who the target will be.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by TomC

I'm sorry but I don't understand how there's an issue with anything Sky News actually said?

Repeatedly refusing to acknowledge that this was a homophobic attack and trying to steer the conversation in typical fashion to the perpetrator's ties and you guessed it...whether it had anything to do with Islamic fundamentalism.

The anchor acted like a pompous twat and Owen showed up their pathetic 'news' coverage for what it really is: biased, inflammatory agenda-setting by the Murdoch scum.

Originally Posted by TomC

Is this aimed at me?

I can air my views on the matter if I so wish.

It's aimed at the anchor of Sky News, people on Twitter who are denouncing him as some kind of ISIS sympathiser, people in this thread. Anyone. Because trying to pretend the fact that a man whom had said the sight of two men kissing repulsed him entered a gay nightclub whose patrons are predominantly members of the LGBT community and shot 50+ of them dead isn't a targeted act of homophobia is not just idiotic but it's also ****ing insulting.

Owen was right, if he'd targeted a synagogue the attack would have rightly been called anti-semetic and this is no different. It's calling a spade a spade.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Owen rightly showed up that abhorrent waste of a channel they call Sky News up for what they are. This was a deliberate, targeted attack on the LGBT community by a man who had openly said he was revulsed by homosexuality. If you can't see that then you shouldn't even be commenting on the story to be quite honest.

People will bend over backwards to try and pretend that this incident has nothing to do with guns but as many have said, it absolutely does. The fact that a civilian can get their hands on a weapon of the ilk that LeatherTrumpet posted is absolutely ****ing astounding, there is no reason whatsoever why anyone should be able to walk into a store and purchase something like that without extremely thorough background checks. It is beyond comprehension.

And lastly, do ~official~ classifications of what is and isn't a 'terrorist' act really matter? Often they are laced in institutionalised racism and quite frankly any person or people who commit an act of mass murder in an instance like this is a terrorist. Who or what they connected to is completely irrelevant when giving them the label.

Totally with you on this Jack.

I said the same in this thread a bit earlier but for some reason my post god deleted.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Owen rightly showed up that abhorrent waste of a channel they call Sky News up for what they are. This was a deliberate, targeted attack on the LGBT community by a man who had openly said he was revulsed by homosexuality. If you can't see that then you shouldn't even be commenting on the story to be quite honest.

People will bend over backwards to try and pretend that this incident has nothing to do with guns but as many have said, it absolutely does. The fact that a civilian can get their hands on a weapon of the ilk that LeatherTrumpet posted is absolutely ****ing astounding, there is no reason whatsoever why anyone should be able to walk into a store and purchase something like that without extremely thorough background checks. It is beyond comprehension.

And lastly, do ~official~ classifications of what is and isn't a 'terrorist' act really matter? Often they are laced in institutionalised racism and quite frankly any person or people who commit an act of mass murder in an instance like this is a terrorist. Who or what they connected to is completely irrelevant when giving them the label.

[Tom4784]

Can't blame Owen for walking out, those other two idiots were trying to erase the LGBT angle which is just plain insulting.