[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ann is the topic of discussion as she is on big brother. The very purpose of this forum.

Another basic fact you're either not understanding or purposely ignoring.

I fully understand the topic of the discussion and do not purposely ignore.

When you comment on what I actually posted about, you will get a reply.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Maybe some people just respect other people have the right to THEIR opinion. It doesn't mean we agree with it necessarily.
This is a democratic country...we are all entitled to a ****ing opinion...Ann has said nothing wrong but she clearly feels uncomfortable around certain behaviour between 2 men. She doesn't care what people do in private but personally finds it hard to watch in public. She has every right to feel that way...

Exactly, thank you a sensible non inflammatory post.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I fully understand the topic of the discussion and do not purposely ignore.

When you comment on what I actually posted about, you will get a reply.

Why would I comment on what you posted when it isn't on topic.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why would I comment on what you posted when it isn't on topic.

It was, even if you didn't think so.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I found it weird that there was a rumour Jack called Shilpa a "p..." ,surely the idiot would of been removed if it was true?? . There was something uncomfortable with the way they treated Shilpa ,and even if people deny racism it DIDN'T look good

Even if Jade forgot her name how TF do you mix popadom up with Shilpa, even if she was joking .

That's like IF Shilpa called her "rice" as a joke , literally looks stupid !! .And obviously it will seem racist saying popadum as Shilpa is Indian .

Plus Danielle was ignorant AF and said Shilpa can't speak English properly, Jo sat on her arse and laughed like a sheep .

I remember when Maxwell did something similar about Kemal BB6 but he got away with it as a joke by saying Kebab instead of Kemal,but that could be seen as racist as Kemal was Turkish. But I think he was just taking the Pee out his name as Maxwell was a foul pig anyway .

Jade didn't get her name mixed up. She purposely said poppadom as a joke because she didn't know her surname. Hence her and Danielle laughing after she said it.

But you're right. In isolation those comments aren't worth anything. Just as Maxwell's comment and just as Anthony's comment to Derek "Malteser head" but placed in the context of cbb5 it's not a good look.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I always remember that year of CBB with Jade shilpa etc we all will..

I will never forget Jermaine calling Jade & family 'white trash' there was no outrage for that though was it acceptable.. no but it happened

RIP Jade

The ONLY racism that series ,But it was against white people who dont matter ,the last years Jade had were ruined by lies ,like the lies still being said on here and other media.........years she should have enjoyed with her boys

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

It was, even if you didn't think so.

Tory MPs are not the topic of discussion. Ann Widdecombe is.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Jade didn't get her name mixed up. She purposely said poppadom as a joke because she didn't know her surname. Hence her and Danielle laughing after she said it.

But you're right. In isolation those comments aren't worth anything. Just as Maxwell's comment and just as Anthony's comment to Derek "Malteser head" but placed in the context of cbb5 it's not a good look.

Anthony got away with "Maltese head" as it was a daft comment when they were arguing .
Anthony was like a mentally challenged child most the time. But with Shilpa it was non stop that's why people said it's bullying and racism .

And the argument about 'white trash" was clearly fuelled as a retaliation ,but I find that daft as well especially when white people say especially white Americans say "white trash" . But again it's not as bad as other stuff that could of been used .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by HBIC

I am not telling her not to have an opinion. You should respect my right to criticize her then since that is my opinion

Seems like a lot of the people that pull the "it's just her opinion!!!" card don't realize that I can also have an opinion about her opinion. Right to an opinion doesn't mean right to say what you want without being criticized.

You are not just critising her though you are critising fans that are agreeing with her right to have an opinion...which you agree she should have??

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The ONLY racism that series ,But it was against white people who dont matter ,the last years Jade had were ruined by lies ,like the lies still being said on here and other media.........years she should have enjoyed with her boys

Really you couldn't see racism anywhere else? Me thinks you purposely overlooked it all.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tory MPs are not the topic of discussion. Ann Widdecombe is.

Because the vote in Parliament has been mentioned umpteen times by umpteen posters, those who voted and in what numbers becomes relevant.

It was not just Tory MPs, it was across the board.

176 MPs voted against gay marriage, not just Ann Widdecome.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Anthony got away with "Maltese head" as it was a daft comment when they were arguing .
Anthony was like a mentally challenged child most the time. But with Shilpa it was non stop that's why people said it's bullying and racism .

And the argument about 'white trash" was clearly fuelled as a retaliation ,but I find that daft as well especially when white people say especially white Americans say "white trash" . But again it's not as bad as other stuff that could of been used .

That's what I meant. They're all daft childish comments. It's the context that is key.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Because the vote in Parliament has been mentioned umpteen times by umpteen posters, those who voted and in what numbers becomes relevant.

It was not just Tory MPs, it was across the board.

176 MPs voted against gay marriage, not just Ann Widdecome.

Yes. But, for the third time, none of those are currently in CBB and the topic of this forums discussion. Ann Widdecombe is.

Why on earth would we be discussing any of the others?

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are not just critising her though you are critising fans that are agreeing with her right to have an opinion...which you agree she should have??

No I just think most of her fans are being disingenuous. I am criticizing them for being cowardly. It's clear many agree with her views but they are not brave enough to say that, so they hide behind the usual facade of liking her because "she tells it like it is."

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by HBIC

No I just think most of her fans are being disingenuous. I am criticizing them for being cowardly. It's clear many agree with her views but they are not brave enough to say that, so they hide behind the usual facade of liking her because "she tells it like it is."

You can say what you like, it doesn't mean it is true. How many times have you heard, I do not support her views but I support her right to express it within the law.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by HBIC

No I just think most of her fans are being disingenuous. I am criticizing them for being cowardly. It's clear many agree with her views but they are not brave enough to say that, so they hide behind the usual facade of liking her because "she tells it like it is."

Im an Ann fan and far from cowardly, i defend her and everyones right to their own minds, but you seem to think you've a right to change her mind? No one has that right

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes. But, for the third time, none of those are currently in CBB and the topic of this forums discussion. Ann Widdecombe is.

Why on earth would we be discussing any of the others?

Because they were there when Ann voted.

You just want to blame her but there are 175 others as well. Your silence about these other MPs is deafening.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by HBIC

No I just think most of her fans are being disingenuous. I am criticizing them for being cowardly. It's clear many agree with her views but they are not brave enough to say that, so they hide behind the usual facade of liking her because "she tells it like it is."

Ok,I dont find it entertaining two adults rolling round on the floor,showing us their arseholes,talking disgustingly I DONT WANT TO SEE IT, OR HEAR IT,get it,got it,good.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Because they were there when Ann voted.

You just want to blame her but there are 175 others as well. Your silence about these other MPs is deafening.

Poppsy,she is a Tory that's all we really need to know.

[Marsh.]

People are debating whether or not they believe Ann is homophobic or holds homophobic views.

Stop pretending anyone is trying to change her mind or stifle her right to an opinion. Not one single person had done that.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

You can say what you like, it doesn't mean it is true. How many times have you heard, I do not support her views but I support her right to express it within the law.

I don't believe it for a second when I do hear that, because the people that say that don't extend that same tolerance to housemates they dislike.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im an Ann fan and far from cowardly, i defend her and everyones right to their own minds, but you seem to think you've a right to change her mind? No one has that right

If this is said too many times that homophobia is rife where it doesn't exist, it could promote a backlash against what has already been achieved.

No one likes to be called a liar or a homophobe without proof.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by HBIC

No I just think most of her fans are being disingenuous. I am criticizing them for being cowardly. It's clear many agree with her views but they are not brave enough to say that, so they hide behind the usual facade of liking her because "she tells it like it is."

That's a huge assumption to make .

Daniel & Jonny who lived with Ann don't agree with her views yet they still like and respect her .

You're generalising Ann's entire fanbase which is ridiculous, that's like saying all Shane J fans must be gay .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People are debating whether or not they believe Ann is homophobic or holds homophobic views.

Stop pretending anyone is trying to change her mind or stifle her right to an opinion. Not one single person had done that.

Are you for real?

It isn't what I have been reading on here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Because they were there when Ann voted.

You just want to blame her but there are 175 others as well. Your silence about these other MPs is deafening.

Blame her for what? You seriously need to stop letting your imagination run off and read the posts in the context of a debate and discussion about whether or not Ann is homophobic.

No one is suggesting Ann is the sole homophobe in the world or the only politician to ever make a controversial choice. Or the only woman who ever voted against gay marriage.

We're discussing her and her career alone in the context of what the topic is about. We're not discussing Tory's or other politicians.

Stop derailing the debate by taking it down silly paths like this.