[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Twosugars
Check this youngster

Last Night 8PM show
Shown later

...sadly, I think that Brexit is going to be at the fore front of voting decisions...and NHS concerns will not factor so much for many...

[bitontheslide]

i think the observation that social media is giving voice to the extremes and giving them too much attention is correct. A moderate message is just not news worthy any more. What a sad state of affairs

[Ammi]

...well I guess that it could be said that we screwed the younger generation over in the referendum...we had the nice things but they can’t have them...so now they’re going to get their revenge and screw us over by taking away the NHS...all’s fair in politics I guess...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...well I guess that it could be said that we screwed the younger generation over in the referendum...we had the nice things but they can’t have them...so now they’re going to get their revenge and screw us over by taking away the NHS...all’s fair in politics I guess...

what? that makes no sense at all, everyone who was eligible had a vote in the referendum, the fact that many didn't use it isn't anyone fault but their own, no body screwed anyone over, we all had one vote to use, remain was supposed to win, the young need the NHS as much as anyone else...we have hospitals that only treat children after all?

[Kazanne]

This rubbish about the Torys selling the NHS to Trump , is a load of old bollox designed to scupper a Tory win , it would be political suicide for them to do so ,plus aren't some parts of the NHS already in US hands ?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what? that makes no sense at all, everyone who was eligible had a vote in the referendum, the fact that many didn't use it isn't anyone fault but their own, no body screwed anyone over, we all had one vote to use, remain was supposed to win, the young need the NHS as much as anyone else...we have hospitals that only treat children after all?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This rubbish about the Torys selling the NHS to Trump , is a load of old bollox designed to scupper a Tory win , it would be political suicide for them to do so ,plus aren't some parts of the NHS already in US hands ?

Considering the fact the tories have decimated the NHS and all public services in their 9 years in power, and voters like yourself don't believe it's enough of an issue to hold them to account, how difficult do you think it would be for them to do anything they like without tory voters even caring?

When Brexit happens with Johnsons deal, we'll then face 5-10 years of European trade negotiations. The economy will shrink, and people will lose their jobs.

BJ will be desperate to provide some good news, so a trade deal with the US will be the only way for him to do this. The US won't do a deal with us unless they get access to our crown jewel. They've already started selling it off and who exactly is rioting about it? By the time people finally wake up, it will be too late.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Considering the fact the tories have decimated the NHS and all public services in their 9 years in power, and voters like yourself don't believe it's enough of an issue to hold them to account, how difficult do you think it would be for them to do anything they like without tory voters even caring?

When Brexit happens with Johnsons deal, we'll then face 5-10 years of European trade negotiations. The economy will shrink, and people will lose their jobs.

BJ will be desperate to provide some good news, so a trade deal with the US will be the only way for him to do this. The US won't do a deal with us unless they get access to our crown jewel. They've already started selling it off and who exactly is rioting about it? By the time people finally wake up, it will be too late.

I dont believe the NHS will be sold Slim, Now i know you'll say they are liars,but aren't they all ? so people will go with who they think will do the best for the country and at this point although they are all dodgy, I think Boris Johnson will at least keep the NHS , afterall ,could you imagine the backlash the Tories would get if they did that, even by their own supporters

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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont believe the NHS will be sold Slim, Now i know you'll say they are liars,but aren't they all ? so people will go with who they think will do the best for the country and at this point although they are all dodgy, I think Boris Johnson will at least keep the NHS , afterall ,could you imagine the backlash the Tories would get if they did that, even by their own supporters

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That's fine, but the tories have already sold bits of it off, so you can chose to believe it or not, but the facts just don't lie.

Boris Johnson has been part of the party that has destroyed the NHS. It's not immigrants that have done the damage, it's austerity. It's a free country, and you're free to vote anyway you like, but not sure I understand the logic in trusting the party that decimated the NHS with a few more years to finish the job.

This is Boris Johnsons most trusted advisor, Dominic cummings

[arista]

There you go Slim
A Labour MP up for a fight
Yesterday................

[Twosugars]

[Twosugars]

[bitontheslide]

i keep having to say this, but i will say it again as so many seem to ignore it. It was labour that has privatised the NHS the most under Tony Blair. The NHS couldn't function unless it contracted out many of its services.

Also, the NHS uses generic drugs where possible, so they are out of patent by the major drugs companies when the NHS buys drugs. Also, the pharmaceutical companies have a world wide presence already. They are the same ones in the UK as they are in the USA. Drug prices are set by geographical region, not by trade deals. Look at Canada as a prime example, it has a trade deal with the USA but its drug prices are significantly lower than in the USA because it is a different drug pricing region.

Those are the facts. American companies can already tender for NHS work in areas that are contracted out. It stuns me how much misinformation there is out there regarding the NHS

[arista]

Yes Conservatives Ban Fracking
Vote help

[arista]

And Old Singer
get a medical test to find out

[arista]

[Ammi]

..I have to say that Boris visited a local primary school to me this week and took part in a lesson with the children...having spoken to some of the parents..(..and children..)..that I know from that school, he was really engaging ...obviously, the children aren’t at voting age, but the parents are...and I felt a huge positivity for him....Jeremy Corbyn will really need to step up his game in the hope of a win, if this is the pace that Boris will be adopting...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I have to say that Boris visited a local primary school to me this week and took part in a lesson with the children...having spoken to some of the parents..(..and children..)..that I know from that school, he was really engaging ...obviously, the children aren’t at voting age, but the parents are...and I felt a huge positivity for him....Jeremy Corbyn will really need to step up his game in the hope of a win, if this is the pace that Boris will be adopting...

Yes he was on TV news sitting in a small chair
at a small table,
one child asked if he ran the world?
he said just this country.
As PM he is far better than
that reserved former PM May.

[Ammi]

...(...he sat in a big boy’s chair, Arista...not a small chair.....I’m not sure that a smaller chair would have coped with his weight ...and then he might have had to increase that school budget to cover the breakage costs...)...

[arista]

Students Corrupt - As EVER
even telling other students how to be corrupt

Reported in the Papers today

[bitontheslide]

Corbyn has a basic problem, he is not a likeable person, neither was May, not their fault particularly, but Corbyn doesn't help himself. Boris has been perfecting his act for decades, and it really doesn't matter if he lies or talks bollocks if people like him

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i keep having to say this, but i will say it again as so many seem to ignore it. It was labour that has privatised the NHS the most under Tony Blair. The NHS couldn't function unless it contracted out many of its services.

Also, the NHS uses generic drugs where possible, so they are out of patent by the major drugs companies when the NHS buys drugs. Also, the pharmaceutical companies have a world wide presence already. They are the same ones in the UK as they are in the USA. Drug prices are set by geographical region, not by trade deals. Look at Canada as a prime example, it has a trade deal with the USA but its drug prices are significantly lower than in the USA because it is a different drug pricing region.

Those are the facts. American companies can already tender for NHS work in areas that are contracted out. It stuns me how much misinformation there is out there regarding the NHS

Thanks for those facts Bots,interesting read.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i keep having to say this, but i will say it again as so many seem to ignore it. It was labour that has privatised the NHS the most under Tony Blair. The NHS couldn't function unless it contracted out many of its services.

Also, the NHS uses generic drugs where possible, so they are out of patent by the major drugs companies when the NHS buys drugs. Also, the pharmaceutical companies have a world wide presence already. They are the same ones in the UK as they are in the USA. Drug prices are set by geographical region, not by trade deals. Look at Canada as a prime example, it has a trade deal with the USA but its drug prices are significantly lower than in the USA because it is a different drug pricing region.

Those are the facts. American companies can already tender for NHS work in areas that are contracted out. It stuns me how much misinformation there is out there regarding the NHS

Don’t let the truth get in the way of the propaganda bots.
No secret about the meetings between Britain and the US drug companies, we managed a better deal for the Systic Fibrosis drug than Scotland did in the end.
If and when our own pharmaceutical companies can make all the medication we need then by all means buy British.

[arista]

Thank you Adam Bolton for that Fact Check

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i keep having to say this, but i will say it again as so many seem to ignore it. It was labour that has privatised the NHS the most under Tony Blair. The NHS couldn't function unless it contracted out many of its services.



Also, the NHS uses generic drugs where possible, so they are out of patent by the major drugs companies when the NHS buys drugs. Also, the pharmaceutical companies have a world wide presence already. They are the same ones in the UK as they are in the USA. Drug prices are set by geographical region, not by trade deals. Look at Canada as a prime example, it has a trade deal with the USA but its drug prices are significantly lower than in the USA because it is a different drug pricing region.



Those are the facts. American companies can already tender for NHS work in areas that are contracted out. It stuns me how much misinformation there is out there regarding the NHS

Drug prices are sky high in the US specifically because of the insurance model and insurance adjustments; its a complicated (and ****ing stupid) system so the fear, really, is more that specific deals with Big Pharma will push Britain towards a private health insurance model, which would completely alter drug pricing.

And yes, the ball started rolling under New Labour but as I've said a hundred times before on this forum: In huge parts of economic policy, Blair was a neoliberal Thatcherite. Pointing out that "it was Blair!" is meaningless, he was more of a Tory than Major.