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Glenn. · 08-07-2020, 06:04 PM

You don’t know her Vanessa...

Glenn. · 08-07-2020, 06:17 PM

Again though, you don’t know her...

rusticgal · 08-07-2020, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Again though, you don’t know her...

She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family

Marsh. · 08-07-2020, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family

There's having an opinion and there's pretending that opinion is based on solid facts that they are a bad person, when no such knowledge is known.

Vanessa is self aware enough to know her "feeling" isn't really based on much foundation and doesn't pretend otherwise. There's a difference.

Crimson Dynamo · 08-07-2020, 07:13 PM

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She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family

jet · 08-07-2020, 07:19 PM

All that comparison stuff is just senseless tabloid fodder. The comparing of females happened with Diana/Fergie too, Fergie got it really bad about her actual looks. She just ignored it all.
Fergie and Kate got awful stick in their first few years as Royals.

Meghan was well warned by Harry, he said so himself, and I’m sure by the Queen as well. The thing is if you are thin skinned and can’t take that rubbish you have no business taking on such a high - profile job, having the big wedding paid for, kitted out in expensive clothes, and the big house given to you.
She was a mature woman who had been around the block, not some 20 year old innocent. It's as if she was born yesterday and had never heard of tabloids and their antics before.

There was plenty of positive stuff about Meghan too, especially before the wedding. The press gushed over her and the wedding itself. There are piles of pics praising her looks and what she was wearing. There were plenty of positive articles too, which weren’t so easy to find after she started acting like an entitled diva and a preachy, high - handed one at that.
It was her own behaviour that turned a lot of people off.

Marsh. · 08-07-2020, 07:23 PM

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senseless tabloid fodder

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Ammi · 08-07-2020, 07:38 PM

...’Meghan Markle was hounded by British tabloids’...’Meghan Markle gets twice as much negative press than Kate, data shows’...’Vitriol against Meghan Markle and Prince Harry is bordering on bullying’....’Prince Harry attacks press over wave of abuse of his girlfriend’....’the Windsors will thicken their watery, thin blue blood and Spencer pale skin and ginger hair with some rich and exotic DNA’....

...only a very few of the tabloid headlines which Meghan has been forced to endure since she found love with Harry....there is no excusing it because that’s like saying that a victim should try to make themselves more likeable if they don’t want to be abused by a bully...

Tom4784 · 08-07-2020, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

All that comparison stuff is just senseless tabloid fodder. The comparing of females happened with Diana/Fergie too, Fergie got it really bad about her actual looks. She just ignored it all.
Fergie and Kate got awful stick in their first few years as Royals.

Meghan was well warned by Harry, he said so himself, and I’m sure by the Queen as well. The thing is if you are thin skinned and can’t take that rubbish you have no business taking on such a high - profile job, having the big wedding paid for, kitted out in expensive clothes, and the big house given to you.
She was a mature woman who had been around the block, not some 20 year old innocent. It's as if she was born yesterday and had never heard of tabloids and their antics before.

There was plenty of positive stuff about Meghan too, especially before the wedding. The press gushed over her and the wedding itself. There are piles of pics praising her looks and what she was wearing. There were plenty of positive articles too, which weren’t so easy to find after she started acting like an entitled diva and a preachy, high - handed one at that.
It was her own behaviour that turned a lot of people off.

It's senseless tabloid fodder when there's evidence of a massive double standard in the ways Kate and Meghan are treated but the same 'tabloid fodder' is fine for you when they're printing stories that slam Meghan?

jet · 08-07-2020, 08:21 PM

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It's senseless tabloid fodder when there's evidence of a massive double standard in the ways Kate and Meghan are treated but the same 'tabloid fodder' is fine for you when they're printing stories that slam Meghan?

I pay no attention to tabloid fodder, just articles that come from reliable sources that know the royals. Sometimes shock! horror! these articles are carried by papers like the Mail, Times etc. Most people can tell the difference between senseless fodder and articles with merit. These sources also do TV interviews and take part in documentaries.

They don't 'slam' Meghan, they comment on what they have seen and have been told. They can't lie or they wouldn't get inside info and be out of a job. They like Harry and want the best for him and are worried about Meghan's behaviour and impact on him.

Do people get this yet, or do I have to keep posting this which was a reply to Toy Soldier:

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We all form our opinions and impressions from what we read, hear and see, and my opinions are educated ones, FYI.
If you are interested in the Royals, as I am, you read what people who have been around them have to say. There are Royal correspondents and royal reporters who have known Harry since he was a little boy, have accompanied him on tours all over the world, have drank with him at the end of the day in bars, when he let his hair down. There are his Royal biographers like Penny Junor who have interviewed him in depth and have been allowed to follow him in his work for months on end.
Royal reporter Arthur Edwards adored Harry, their families holidayed together, and he cried on screen when Harry announced he was leaving the UK, He loved Harry like a son and Harry called him Uncle Arhur.

They know Harry. They say how caring he is, how sensitive and emotional and humble he is. How much fun he is, the pranks they played on each other. How he lived and breathed his army charities like the one for wounded veterans and how important his army pals were to him.
That’s all gone now and he has no meaningful work or friends to replace them.

I have read the official Harry biographies like I read nearly all Royal biographies. So I have my own impressions too of what he is like.
If these people who know him better than you or I; think he isn’t the happy person he was, that LA and Harry is as far from a good match as you can get and are concerned, they are worth listening to.

If William cautioned Harry about rushing into marriage with Meghan (which he did and that is what caused the rift between them) that is worth a thought as to why.
I have always liked Harry a lot, and yes, I am worried for him.
Yes, nobody know him like he knows himself, but we can still form educated impressions and have a right to express them.

Just like I listen to them regarding Harry, I'm interested in their impressions of Meghans impact and behaviour. Every time someone tries to goad me about tabloids, I'll post this again, unless its against the rules to repeat yourself. I'm sure a mod will let me know if so.

Marsh. · 08-07-2020, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's senseless tabloid fodder when there's evidence of a massive double standard in the ways Kate and Meghan are treated but the same 'tabloid fodder' is fine for you when they're printing stories that slam Meghan?

Cherie · 08-07-2020, 08:53 PM

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She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family

Glenn. · 08-07-2020, 06:25 PM

Remember when she randomly changed the way she spoke.

Crimson Dynamo · 08-07-2020, 08:43 PM

Great post jet

jet · 08-07-2020, 09:14 PM

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Great post jet

Thank you.

Amy Jade · 08-07-2020, 08:56 PM

Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

Crimson Dynamo · 08-07-2020, 08:57 PM

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Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

No they did not

Amy Jade · 08-07-2020, 10:36 PM

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No they did not

Prince Harry did and at the time he was still a working Royal.

jet · 08-07-2020, 09:12 PM

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Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

They didn't Amy. Harry did that off his own bat.

joeysteele · 08-07-2020, 09:44 PM

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Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

I more agree with you.

At the time, Prince Harry was a full working Royal.
No way would he have issued his worries re the press without the knowledge of and approval to do so from the Palace.

I agree she was hounded and put down by the press.
I also believe because of a race element too.

I just wish them both the best of luck.
Plus NO ONE on here likely knows them or the Royals personally.
Only Harry and Meghan know the pressure they felt re the press.
Not us.