[Tom4784]

Again, a whole lot of supposition when the facts of the interview contradict your view.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

BS.
See, this is why there is no point. Titles are the Queens domain, no one else's. Why say anything about the title if not to discredit the royals and make people feel scandalized on her behalf? Why?

Did you hear her saying that one of the family showed concern about what colour Archies skin was likely to be, and Oprah gasping WHAT!
If that is true, why would she reveal that to millions if not to discredit the royals? For what purpose? “oh I’ll just tell you this as a little amusing aside to entertain”. I think not.
I suppose she was just telling 'her truth' and didn't think for a minute that she might be damaging the royals in any way? She hasn't one iota of bitterness towards them that they didn't pander to all her demands to change things to suit her, no siree! You're not that gullible surely - or maybe you have some reading up to do on her time in the job.
Now I'm really finished with this particular subject. I rest my case.

Is it that unlikely, for example, that Prince Phillip and his catalogue of racism through the years, might have asked/showed concern for how dark Archie would be? If that is likely (hard to argue it isn't), is it also a stretch to understand why sharing the name, for example wouldn't do them any favours.

[The Slim Reaper]

if they'd given the name, you would be moaning they'd made it up to discredit person x.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They also made it abundantly clear that in their experience and opinion, The Royals are not in full control like this and are all essentially part of a system that they are duty-bound to play along with. You might believe that to be true or not, the important part is that they expressed it, and thus THEIR criticism is of the system and not The Queen herself.

Originally Posted by jet

BS. .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Is it that unlikely, for example, that Prince Phillip and his catalogue of racism through the years, might have asked/showed concern for how dark Archie would be? If that is likely (hard to argue it isn't), is it also a stretch to understand why sharing the name, for example wouldn't do them any favours.

I mean "British aristocracy member thinks nothing of casual throwaway racism" is barely even a headline... we KNOW this for a fact about the British upper class . I don't even think it will have come from a place of "concern" or even being intentionally offensive, they'll just have casually said it thinking nothing of it, thinking it wasn't an issue because frankly there's abundant evidence that Harry himself would have found it funny in the past. So it'll have been a "poke-in-the-ribs" "Oh I wonder what shade your children will be Herreh har har har har " in a family that, as you say with Philip, it's CLEAR that off the cuff comments about race have been commonplace for.

[bitontheslide]

the shocking thing is that it wasn't big Phil that made the comment, Harry gave him and lizzie a get out of jail card after the interview. Although I want it to be Charlie or Andrew, I think its more likely it was one of the lesser royals like the woman that wore the brooch "without thinking"

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the shocking thing is that it wasn't big Phil that made the comment, Harry gave him and lizzie a get out of jail card after the interview. Although I want it to be Charlie or Andrew, I think its more likely it was one of the lesser royals like the woman that wore the brooch "without thinking"

My money is on Camilla honestly but it's a total guess . If it was Andrew I think they'd just have said so, I mean it's barely going to register on the radar there .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the shocking thing is that it wasn't big Phil that made the comment, Harry gave him and lizzie a get out of jail card after the interview. Although I want it to be Charlie or Andrew, I think its more likely it was one of the lesser royals like the woman that wore the brooch "without thinking"

Spoiler:

Who dear?
Me dear?
No dear
How very dare you!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jet

Watch it again and really pay attention without the rose tinted glasses on.

That's rich accusing people of wearing rose tinted glasses, when your judgment is clouded only to see bad in Meghan & Harry but especially Meghan.

[rusticgal]

...and of course no one knows the context of the words said. It was said before Meghan was even pregnant apparently. So to question the colour of the skin of their future children out of simple curiosity is not racist...
AND of course according to Meghan this was bought up in 'several conversations' when she was pregnant....and according to Harry it was mentioned ONCE before she was pregnant.
Considering they cant even get their story straight....its easy to imagine that it was taken completely out of context.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's rich accusing people of wearing rose tinted glasses, when your judgment is clouded only to see bad in Meghan & Harry but especially Meghan.

Jet has often given fair judgement and positive judgement on both of them up until they married. He like most of us really liked them both.
Sadly those that defend her are never big enough to call her out for all the lies she told in that interview....unbelievable.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Jet has often given fair judgement and positive judgement on both of them up until they married. He like most of us really liked them both.

Yes there were many who liked her until she had something negative to say about life as a British Royal... then turned on her like milk left out in the sun. Funny, that.

Sadly those that defend her are never big enough to call her out for all the lies she told in that interview....unbelievable.

Again if someone could show me a clip, or even offer me a direct quote, for some of these "outright lies" that would be one thing but no one has managed it yet. Just a vague "Oh but if you ignore the actual words and see what they're REALLY saying..." which is not evidence of anything at all, except the existence of confirmation bias.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes there were many who liked her until she had something negative to say about life as a British Royal... then turned on her like milk left out in the sun. Funny, that.



Again if someone could show me a clip, or even offer me a direct quote, for some of these "outright lies" that would be one thing but no one has managed it yet. Just a vague "Oh but if you ignore the actual words and see what they're REALLY saying..." which is not evidence of anything at all, except the existence of confirmation bias.

look back the thread there are lots and lots of examples

the sun ran 10 and there is a link to that article for a kick off

[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...interview.html

The Queen has been deluged with hundreds of letters of support and encouragement in the wake of the Meghan and Harry interview, The Mail on Sunday has learned.
Every day, sacks full of post are delivered to Windsor Castle where the Queen has been in lockdown with the Duke of Edinburgh since his release from hospital.
The cards, gifts and letters are said to be a source of great comfort to the Monarch after the Duke and Duchess of Sussex accused the Royal Family of racism. …..

[GoldHeart]

The Queen was never accused of racism, stop peddling that misinformation.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Jet has often given fair judgement and positive judgement on both of them up until they married. He like most of us really liked them both.
Sadly those that defend her are never big enough to call her out for all the lies she told in that interview....unbelievable.

Unbelievable indeed. A lot of denial and twisting and piss taking even when the words out of her own mouth are quoted.
No point in engaging with that kind of time wasting nonsense, so for me I'll be more discerning with who I converse with from now on.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The Queen was never accused of racism, stop peddling that misinformation.

incorrect

The Queen was accused for quite some time until Winfrey later added it wasnt her

but when the show aired she was equally under the accusation until the clarification (i think the next day)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

look back the thread there are lots and lots of examples

the sun ran 10 and there is a link to that article for a kick off

No no actual quotes or clips of the lies specifically, not examples of profiction things, or interpretations of what they said, or taking things too literally, or them having a slightly different account of things.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

Unbelievable indeed. A lot of denial and twisting and piss taking.....
No point in engaging with that kind of time wasting nonsense, so for me I'll be more discerning with who I converse with from now on.

"I choose to exist in a happy echo chamber". Don't worry jet you won't be the first. Maybe you can get a job on GB News?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes there were many who liked her until she had something negative to say about life as a British Royal... then turned on her like milk left out in the sun. Funny, that.



Again if someone could show me a clip, or even offer me a direct quote, for some of these "outright lies" that would be one thing but no one has managed it yet. Just a vague "Oh but if you ignore the actual words and see what they're REALLY saying..." which is not evidence of anything at all, except the existence of confirmation bias.

1. She said they were 'married' 3 days before the wedding...but they were
forced to correct themselves.
2. She said Archie was entitled to a title...
3. She said Archie didnt get a title due to the colour of his skin.
4. She said she couldnt get help for her Mental issues....if you believe that
you will believe anything considering Harry's connections.
5. She said several conversations were had with Harry over the colour of
Archies skin. Harry said it was ONE conversation.
6. She said she was pregnant when those conversations were had...Harry
said it was before...

I have no doubt missed a couple...but like LT said they have all been mentioned on here...maybe you overlooked them

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes there were many who liked her until she had something negative to say about life as a British Royal... then turned on her like milk left out in the sun. Funny, that.

Thats a bit silly...because many were starting to dislike her before they up and left. With many the interview may well have been the last straw. Its not about turning on 'The Royal Family'...with many its more about making accusations against your own family on NT.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The Queen was never accused of racism, stop peddling that misinformation.

I think you are the one peddling misinformation. Who specified the Queen?...a member of her family has been accused. We all know they exonerated the Queen and Prince Phillip the day after the Interview.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect

The Queen was accused for quite some time until Winfrey later added it wasnt her

but when the show aired she was equally under the accusation until the clarification (i think the next day)

Yes it was the next day..

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect

The Queen was accused for quite some time until Winfrey later added it wasnt her

but when the show aired she was equally under the accusation until the clarification (i think the next day)

FALSE

Both Meghan and Harry spoke highly of the Queen

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

FALSE

Both Meghan and Harry spoke highly of the Queen

and?