[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Harry and William will not stand together at the funeral Peter Philips prince Anne’s son will stand between them on the wishes of the queen
And no one will wear military uniforms instead they will wear there medals on morning coats
Some say it’s to spare Harry as he would be the only one not in uniform

Bit odd? If it was out of choice that would be one thing, maybe it is and saying it was Liz's decision is an excuse, but strange to say they've not to stand together if they would have chosen to? It also means we'll never know - but will lead to speculation about the "OMG big rift" because they're not standing together - because most people won't be aware that they didn't get the choice .

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bit odd? If it was out of choice that would be one thing, maybe it is and saying it was Liz's decision is an excuse, but strange to say they've not to stand together if they would have chosen to? It also means we'll never know - but will lead to speculation about the "OMG big rift" because they're not standing together - because most people won't be aware that they didn't get the choice .

Do we ever really get the full story, I’d say definitely no we don’t

William will be king one day maybe he has said something and to be honest you can see him and his dad being p1ssed off at harry

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Do we ever really get the full story, I’d say definitely no we don’t

William will be king one day maybe he has said something and to be honest you can see him and his dad being p1ssed off at harry

If we're going to have kings and queens at all, I don't think we want a petty king who holds grudges? But that's what I mean really; it would be interesting to know if it really was The Queen's decision, or if it was someone else's decision but they think it sounds better if it's put down to "Boss's choice".

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If we're going to have kings and queens at all, I don't think we want a petty king who holds grudges? But that's what I mean really; it would be interesting to know if it really was The Queen's decision, or if it was someone else's decision but they think it sounds better if it's put down to "Boss's choice".

To others it may seem petty but in reality his own brother and his wife accused his family of being racist and William was asked if his family was racist on an official engagement
Harry went on to rubbish his father Charles.

And they have disrespected the queen with the blatant digs about a life of service.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If we're going to have kings and queens at all, I don't think we want a petty king who holds grudges? But that's what I mean really; it would be interesting to know if it really was The Queen's decision, or if it was someone else's decision but they think it sounds better if it's put down to "Boss's choice".

We don't don't what the grudge is about, I believe Harry was speaking about Wills when he mentioned Archies skin colour

I think it it too soon to mend bridges, and the Queen has diplomatically taken the decision, though in truth obviously neither of them wanted to stand side by side

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If we're going to have kings and queens at all, I don't think we want a petty king who holds grudges?

Speak for yourself. I want a King who loves and cares enough about his family to mind very much that his brother and his wife spoke badly of them in front of millions, (and a lot of it lies too). Just because you wouldn’t mind and think yourself 'petty' for caring, doesn’t mean ‘we’ think that would make him in any way an unsuitable King. Quite the opposite.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least here in Scotland we dont have petty squabbles and grudges and people going off and leaving and doing their own thing

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

At least here in Scotland we dont have petty squabbles and grudges and people going off and leaving and doing their own thing

Have you seen the Alba party political ad where they're "endorsed by Robert the Bruce"? Someone is trolling.

[Marsh.]

Well I'd be more concerned about the racist stopping being racist than trying to shut the black woman up who experienced it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well I'd be more concerned about the racist stopping being racist than trying to shut the black woman up who experienced it.

an innocent remark isnt racism

in many ways it just devalues actual racial hatred

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

an innocent remark isnt racism

in many ways it just devalues actual racial hatred

No; a racist remark doesn't necessarily indicate a racist PERSON but that doesn't mean you ignore the remark. In fact, anyone who is not a racist person should surely be glad to hear that something they've said could come across as racist, so that they consider their words more carefully in future?

As the parent of a disabled child this is something I encounter all the time; even well-meaning people can say some really offensive crap about learning disability without any idea that it's ill conceived. Some of the worst of it has come from family members awkwardly struggling to ask things. I'd rather correct them then just think "Aww well they meant well and didn't mean anything bad by it so I'll just let it slide". If they weren't trying to offend, then they don't WANT to offend, so you should tell them it didn't come across well?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

an innocent remark isnt racism

in many ways it just devalues actual racial hatred

You were there were you?

No. Didn't think so.

[joeysteele]

Nothing to read in William and Harry being not walking together side by side.
They are walking side by side with Prince Philip, one more to the right of Prince Philip, the other more to the Left of him.

I have 3 Brothers, when my Father died, we wanted to help carry his coffin.
We chose the oldest and me the youngest to do so, one of us on the right side, the other on the left.
My other 2 Brothers walked behind into the Church.

So I read it as Prince Philips Grandsons are there one at his right, one at his left, another in the centre.
Actually in my view highly respectful and appropriate too.

[bots]

if they want to discuss things or not ... they still have plenty opportunity outwith the funeral. Personally, i think there is a lot more behind the rift between them than is public knowledge. When Harry chose to have his own charity separate from Will's, some disagreement led to that parting, and that happened long before H & M stepped down

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if they want to discuss things or not ... they still have plenty opportunity outwith the funeral. Personally, i think there is a lot more behind the rift between them than is public knowledge. When Harry chose to have his own charity separate from Will's, some disagreement led to that parting, and that happened long before H & M stepped down

Yep it has been going on for a while

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if they want to discuss things or not ... they still have plenty opportunity outwith the funeral. Personally, i think there is a lot more behind the rift between them than is public knowledge. When Harry chose to have his own charity separate from Will's, some disagreement led to that parting, and that happened long before H & M stepped down

Most likely (although disclaimer; I obviously don't know) is that it's down to William being in line for the throne. Harry feels a lot of anger and resentment over the treatment of Diana and ending up without a mum at a very young age, William can't really afford to hold onto feelings like that because he's destined to be at the top of it all. You can see why it would lead to frustration, on both sides.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most likely (although disclaimer; I obviously don't know) is that it's down to William being in line for the throne. Harry feels a lot of anger and resentment over the treatment of Diana and ending up without a mum at a very young age, William can't really afford to hold onto feelings like that because he's destined to be at the top of it all. You can see why it would lead to frustration, on both sides.

to me, the most likely reason is that Harry has someone now that says ... hey Harry, you can't let him away with that and has given him the courage to stand up for himself rather than quiet acceptance that probably happened in the past

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most likely (although disclaimer; I obviously don't know) is that it's down to William being in line for the throne. Harry feels a lot of anger and resentment over the treatment of Diana and ending up without a mum at a very young age, William can't really afford to hold onto feelings like that because he's destined to be at the top of it all. You can see why it would lead to frustration, on both sides.

Diana put herself in that position, one of the stupidest things was her not wearing a seatbelt if she had she would have survived

She died of a laceration of the liver

Conspiracy theories have been around for years saying she was killed on the orders of Prince Philip

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Diana put herself in that position, one of the stupidest things was her not wearing a seatbelt if she had she would have survived

She died of a laceration of the liver

Conspiracy theories have been around for years saying she was killed on the orders of Prince Philip

It's a bit more complicated than that. Her life and the years leading up to her death were not happy ones, and she didn't end up speeding through the streets of Paris without a seatbelt on completely at random. His thinking might not be 100% spot on or logical but it's their mum and she died young, it's obviously going to be a topic with high-emotions for both Harry and William, so if it's something they don't see eye to eye on then obviously it's going to be a source of frustration.

[arista]

[Complain to Ofcom after Julia Hartley-Brewer 'on ITV1HD'
makes a dig at Meghan Markle over
Royal Family photograph
saying 'she probably thinks it's racist']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...an-Markle.html

[Tom4784]

Are people still clinging desperately to their lies that Harry and Will attacked their family? It's quite sad how people cling to fake narratives.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Are people still clinging desperately to their lies that Harry and Will attacked their family? It's quite sad how people cling to fake narratives.

When did Wiliam attack his family and call them racist????

[jet]

People are still clinging desperately to their denial that Harry and Meghan attacked his family. Or they refuse to admit it. Take your pick.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

When did Wiliam attack his family and call them racist????

He didn't.

[Tom4784]

It's a shame that people can't distinguish between their own fan fiction and reality. They did not attack the royal family, they criticised the firm and were highly complimentary of the queen.

Pretending otherwise doesn't make it true, just like pretending the earth is flat doesn't change the fact that it's round or that making out that vaccines give you autism when they obviously don't. Clinging to a false narrative and desperately believing it to be true does not make it true.