[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Scott

the people who support this (mostly women) are just selfish bastards

how would you like it if something you love was taken away from you like um idk what women like

This.

[Jack_]

The first time I came across porn was in a park whilst with my cousins, aged about 8 or 9. A porn mag had been torn to pieces and was just lying on the floor but you could still see images of some girls opening their ***** up for all to see. It wasn't a pretty sight at that age I'm not going to lie, and for the rest of the day I did wonder what the hell it was about, but that hasn't scarred me and ruined the rest of my life...

I started watching porn online around 14, and that hasn't affected my life either. Much like Lee's daughter I probably Googled the words of body parts aged 10 or 11 because I was curious but never did I come across anything pornographic as is being made out on here. Sure, you can stumble across it sometimes but is it going to ruin the rest of that person's life? No. They might be worried about what they've looked at for a while, or be curious about what it is, but in the grand scheme of things when they grow up they'll laugh off their innocence, just like I have.

The real danger as I have already outlined is that this filter is going to block all of the regulated, well known, trusted porn sites, and those dodgy sites that look ambiguous at best are going to be the ones people (especially adolescents just starting out looking at porn) are looking at, and that can't be a good thing.

I also don't know how many times it has to be repeated in this thread that child porn is not easily accessible. I mean seriously, it really isn't just type in kiddyfiddler.co.uk and everyone has access to all sorts of jailbait, it's much more difficult to find than that. Never in four years of watching porn and searching all sorts of things have I ever come across anything blatantly illegal, but forget the facts and experiences of people that actually have gone through this and let's just listen to the Mail and make up scenarios in our head about poor innocent little kids seeing some Russian girl get creampied.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

This is honestly like an episode of South Park, this is hysterical. Men like masturbating. Women do too. We all know it and none of us speak about it because it is the one remaining taboo in society. It shouldn't be a taboo, but it is, and now David Cameron is reinforcing that taboo. I'm not sure how old any of your kids are, but when they are teenagers and they bring home boyfriends and girlfriends, you're probably going to be terrified that someone's going to get pregnant and you'd probably much rather pretend they're not at it or at least curious. You can't even set an age where things are deemed acceptable and unacceptable because people hit puberty at different ages. My best friend hit puberty in Primary 7.

No it isn't, and the only people getting hysterical are the ones who have misunderstood the proposals, not bothered to read the information or bleating about feminists and prudes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The first time I came across porn was in a park whilst with my cousins, aged about 8 or 9. A porn mag had been torn to pieces and was just lying on the floor but you could still see images of some girls opening their ***** up for all to see. It wasn't a pretty sight at that age I'm not going to lie, and for the rest of the day I did wonder what the hell it was about, but that hasn't scarred me and ruined the rest of my life...

I started watching porn online around 14, and that hasn't affected my life either. Much like Lee's daughter I probably Googled the words of body parts aged 10 or 11 because I was curious but never did I come across anything pornographic as is being made out on here. Sure, you can stumble across it sometimes but is it going to ruin the rest of that person's life? No. They might be worried about what they've looked at for a while, or be curious about what it is, but in the grand scheme of things when they grow up they'll laugh off their innocence, just like I have.

The real danger as I have already outlined is that this filter is going to block all of the regulated, well known, trusted porn sites, and those dodgy sites that look ambiguous at best are going to be the ones people (especially adolescents just starting out looking at porn) are looking at, and that can't be a good thing.

I also don't know how many times it has to be repeated in this thread that child porn is not easily accessible. I mean seriously, it really isn't just type in kiddyfiddler.co.uk and everyone has access to all sorts of jailbait, it's much more difficult to find than that. Never in four years of watching porn and searching all sorts of things have I ever come across anything blatantly illegal, but forget the facts and experiences of people that actually have gone through this and let's just listen to the Mail and make up scenarios in our head about poor innocent little kids seeing some Russian girl get creampied.

Nobody asked for your life story jack, and your comments about the the opinions of others on this issue are a tad insulting.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody asked for your life story jack, and your comments about the the opinions of others on this issue are a tad insulting.

I find the proposal itself highly insulting and your avoidance of numerous explanations in this thread isn't helping matters

Also, my experiences and the experiences of others as detailed in this thread are a hell of a lot more valid than the wails of 'think of the children!!!!!! my poor Bella may see a BJ POV because the internet is so unsafe and there's no restrictions and porn (including dirty vile child porn) is polluting the entirety of the internet!!!! waaa waaa'

People have already explained how difficult it is to find or stumble across such content and it is being ignored.

[Tregard]

Originally Posted by arista

"Where does it end, Cameron? Does Reddit get blocked "


Nothing gets Blocked If you Opt IN

I shouldn't have to do a damn thing to keep the internet open as it is now. Those concerned should have to opt out, and even so, the measures for that already exist, you can contact your Internet provider and have a filter put in place. But for some ridiculous reason, that's not good enough, we need to tar everyone with the same brush.

This same series of actions occurred in Denmark in 2005, and now ALL IPs have to block a site if any one of them is told to do so, which can lead to a whole load of shady dealings.

The BBC world service ran a survey on the state of the internet a while back, and found "Despite worries about privacy and fraud, people around the world see access to the internet as their fundamental right. They think the web is a force for good, and most don’t want governments to regulate it."

53% of people thought the internet should not be regulated by any level of government, so why is it we are facing these restrictions if the majority are against it?

For the children.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The first time I came across porn was in a park whilst with my cousins, aged about 8 or 9. A porn mag had been torn to pieces and was just lying on the floor but you could still see images of some girls opening their ***** up for all to see. It wasn't a pretty sight at that age I'm not going to lie, and for the rest of the day I did wonder what the hell it was about, but that hasn't scarred me and ruined the rest of my life...

I started watching porn online around 14, and that hasn't affected my life either. Much like Lee's daughter I probably Googled the words of body parts aged 10 or 11 because I was curious but never did I come across anything pornographic as is being made out on here. Sure, you can stumble across it sometimes but is it going to ruin the rest of that person's life? No. They might be worried about what they've looked at for a while, or be curious about what it is, but in the grand scheme of things when they grow up they'll laugh off their innocence, just like I have.

The real danger as I have already outlined is that this filter is going to block all of the regulated, well known, trusted porn sites, and those dodgy sites that look ambiguous at best are going to be the ones people (especially adolescents just starting out looking at porn) are looking at, and that can't be a good thing.

I also don't know how many times it has to be repeated in this thread that child porn is not easily accessible. I mean seriously, it really isn't just type in kiddyfiddler.co.uk and everyone has access to all sorts of jailbait, it's much more difficult to find than that. Never in four years of watching porn and searching all sorts of things have I ever come across anything blatantly illegal, but forget the facts and experiences of people that actually have gone through this and let's just listen to the Mail and make up scenarios in our head about poor innocent little kids seeing some Russian girl get creampied.

Yeah, the whole idea that watching porn at a young age in any way affects you is ridiculous in itself.

Was exposed to porn mags around 8-9 as well, and saw porn online maybe even as young as 12.

Obviously I can understand why you wouldn't want your child exposed to that at such a young age, but acting like it'll go on to make you a messed up person is completely false. Maybe if you're watching hardcore porn when you're 8-9, possibly? But that'd be an extremely rare case where a child would seek that out.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody asked for your life story jack, and your comments about the the opinions of others on this issue are a tad insulting.

To be fair, no one asked for your life story either and I daresay that comment towards Jack is a tad insulting as well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I find the proposal itself highly insulting and your avoidance of numerous explanations in this thread isn't helping matters

Also, my experiences and the experiences of others as detailed in this thread are a hell of a lot more valid than the wails of 'think of the children!!!!!! my poor Bella may see a BJ POV because the internet is so unsafe and there's no restrictions and porn (including dirty vile child porn) is polluting the entirety of the internet!!!! waaa waaa'

People have already explained how difficult it is to find or stumble across such content and it is being ignored.

Why must you make things personal?
I don't care how many times things are 'explained' I will wait and see how the changes work once implemented thankyou.
Yes I can see that you feel your view is the only one that matters, nobody is ignoring you jack calm down.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

To be fair, no one asked for your life story either and I daresay that comment towards Jack is a tad insulting as well.

I haven't given it, do you? that's a shame it wasn't intentional.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Pm me her number, and I'll text her about it.





Please.
Please.
Please.
Please.
Please

No, she's married. Sorry

[Sticks]

This is what I have put on my Google blog

With apologies to Martin Niemöller

First the decided to block internet porn of the worse kind
And I did not speak out because I am not into internet porn as it disgusted me

Then they decided to block videos put up by Islamic extremists, that even moderate Muslims find offensive
And I did not speak out because I am not into watching Islamic extremist videos.

Then they decided, in all fairness, to block videos put out by far right racist groups
And I did not speak up because I find the rantings of the far right repugnant.

Then they decided to block details on how to make terrorist weapons like bombs and explosives
And I did not speak up because I did not want to know how to make that vile stuff.

Then they decided to block details that anorexics share on how to starve themselves
And I did not speak up because I found these things incomprehensible

Then they decided to block discussion of anything that might be critical of government policy, as they said that would be considered sapping national morale and giving aid and comfort to our enemies
And there was nobody left to speak up for us who had concerns about government decisions, that affected our lives, and we were silenced.

[Tom4784]

People shouldn't have to opt in to get rid of it though, it should be a service that the parents and such should opt in to, that way you aren't encroaching on people's liberties.

It won't happens like that though because the parents that this is aimed at are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own spawn properly.

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is what I have put on my Google blog

Look, I'm completely opposed to this change, but using that poem for anything porn/censorship related is in pretty poor taste.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People shouldn't have to opt in to get rid of it though, it should be a service that the parents and such should opt in to, that way you aren't encroaching on people's liberties.

It won't happens like that though because the parents that this is aimed at are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own spawn properly.

I'd say this is aimed at all parents, and I for one am not dumb, and I raise my children properly thank you.

I'd like to discuss this with you when you have children of your own.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tregard

I shouldn't have to do a damn thing to keep the internet open as it is now. Those concerned should have to opt out, and even so, the measures for that already exist, you can contact your Internet provider and have a filter put in place. But for some ridiculous reason, that's not good enough, we need to tar everyone with the same brush.

This same series of actions occurred in Denmark in 2005, and now ALL IPs have to block a site if any one of them is told to do so, which can lead to a whole load of shady dealings.

The BBC world service ran a survey on the state of the internet a while back, and found "Despite worries about privacy and fraud, people around the world see access to the internet as their fundamental right. They think the web is a force for good, and most don’t want governments to regulate it."

53% of people thought the internet should not be regulated by any level of government, so why is it we are facing these restrictions if the majority are against it?

For the children.

Don't you feel that there should be a right for the people fighting against exploitation? I posted some information a few pages back that suggests internet crime is rising dramatically, so it is far from a force for good in some aspects.
53% is not a huge majority is it? many like myself would welcome some regulation and I'm not alone.

''The cracking of criminal rings involved in child sex abuse, fake credit cards and online drug sales have led to gangs going deeper into the so-called Darknet to avoid the law. The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre this month revealed its concern over the growing use of anonymous online encrypted networks, with use in Britain increasing by two-thirds, one of the largest increases globally.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8723048.html

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't you feel that there should be a right for the people fighting against exploitation? I posted some information a few pages back that suggests internet crime is rising dramatically, so it is far from a force for good in some aspects.
53% is not a huge majority is it? many like myself would welcome some regulation and I'm not alone.

''The cracking of criminal rings involved in child sex abuse, fake credit cards and online drug sales have led to gangs going deeper into the so-called Darknet to avoid the law. The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre this month revealed its concern over the growing use of anonymous online encrypted networks, with use in Britain increasing by two-thirds, one of the largest increases globally.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8723048.html

I did make a reply to that when you first posted it, explaining that the law change will have zero affect on those people. But it may make the husbands and fathers up and down the UK try different places to try access porn, which could ultimately lead to increased traffic on unregulated parts of the net.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People shouldn't have to opt in to get rid of it though, it should be a service that the parents and such should opt in to, that way you aren't encroaching on people's liberties.

It won't happens like that though because the parents that this is aimed at are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own spawn properly.

You have said this many times now, are you trying to appear offensive to all parents?
How has this affected your 'liberties'?.... It hasn't.
This is aimed at everyone dezzy.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I haven't given it, do you? that's a shame it wasn't intentional.

That makes literally no sense at all?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

kizzy are you actually braindead? you keep quoting that article and highlighting the bit about the darknet when its not even relevant

what the **** does having (legal) adult content censored have to do with child pornography? nothing so please be quiet

or just keep posting the same thing over and over again idc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I did make a reply to that when you first posted it, explaining that the law change will have zero affect on those people. But it may make the husbands and fathers up and down the UK try different places to try access porn, which could ultimately lead to increased traffic on unregulated parts of the net.

I posted it to tregard too as I felt it was cheeky to have them read back so many pages, I'm so helpful.
You think only men access porn?... interesting.

[Lee.]

I don't think there's any need for people to actually insult each other over this!

Differing opinions make for great debate!

[Jake.]

Let's all have a wank, it always relieves stess

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Scott

kizzy are you actually braindead? you keep quoting that article and highlighting the bit about the darknet when its not even relevant

what the **** does having (legal) adult content censored have to do with child pornography? nothing so please be quiet

or just keep posting the same thing over and over again idc

How rude, are you going to join the debate or carry on insulting me?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

That makes literally no sense at all?

nevermind then eh redway