[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

I lost 2 Aunt's and 2 friends, one a Nurse.

I have no time for Angela Raynor actually.
I may be Labour but I will criticise anyone anytime for wrong.

She too had to apologise, however it took her too long to do it too.
I'd frankly rather have a different deputy of the Labour party.

She didn't however break any of her own laws and rules she'd dictated to everyone else in the country to obey.

I said earlier politics can be brutal which you well know.

It's not aggression Livia it's anger that a man who is in the highest office of the land can dictate laws and rules to others but not have to obey them himself.

He has insisted for weeks, months in fact, no rules were broken.
Yet he was at something he had banned everywhere else for everyone else.
Only apologising when fully caught out.

I extend an apology to you for saying it may not matter to you.
Plus I'm extremely sad to learn of your great loss too.

My anger is at any or perceived defence of this and I'm sorry for my terminology here, this creep, who really does in my view think he can make laws and rules that everyone else must obey.
However which he goes about as if they shouldn't and don't apply to him too.
Sorry but for me, that's unacceptable.

Anyhow, have a good day Livia.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

aw that is tough, sorry for your loss Liv xx

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

Sorry for your loss x

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Chinese and Taiwan are facing a gathering conflict, China already have Tibet by the throat and they're murdering Uyghur Muslims in their thousands; the word 'genocide' is often used in connection with them. North Korea is as unstable and unpredictable as ever and possess nuclear weapons. The Middle East is burning, how long before Israel bombs Iran into a car park? The rain forests are disappearing despite the warnings and the seas are rising. Not far away from us. Russia is massing 100,000 troops on the borders of Ukraine.

So the burning question of the day is, Did Boris go to a party, or....not?

Yes Shocking all these International battles
about to start


And a Work Event A/K/A party downing st. big garden

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scotland is being treated with "utter contempt" by Westminster, Nicola
Sturgeon has said amid a row over comments made by Jacob Rees-Mogg
over 'Partygate'.

Ms Sturgeon told First Minister's Questions at Holyrood she had "big political
differences with Douglas Ross, but even I am not as derogatory about him as
his own Tory colleagues are being".

"'Not a big figure', 'lightweight' - these might be personal insults directed at
the leader of the Scottish Conservatives but actually they say something
much deeper about the Westminster establishment's utter contempt for
Scotland," she said.

"Independence is fundamentally about empowerment and aspiration but, you
know what, an added benefit of being independent is it will no longer have
to put up with being treated like something on the sole of Westminster's
shoe."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...-ross-25936028

[Crimson Dynamo]

Panini football card amendment...

Spoiler:

[arista]

[bots]

A senior UK government minister has dismissed the Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross as a "lightweight" within the party, after he called for the prime minister's resignation.

Mr Ross said Boris Johnson should step down after he admitted attending a Downing Street party during lockdown.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said Mr Ross was a "lightweight figure", and the PM had the support of more "important" MPs.

He said this included the Scottish secretary, Alister Jack.

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Implosion pending

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

A senior UK government minister has dismissed the Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross as a "lightweight" within the party, after he called for the prime minister's resignation.

Mr Ross said Boris Johnson should step down after he admitted attending a Downing Street party during lockdown.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said Mr Ross was a "lightweight figure", and the PM had the support of more "important" MPs.

He said this included the Scottish secretary, Alister Jack.

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Implosion pending

Yes ,
Jacob repeated it on NewsnightHD BBC2
last night.

[bots]

thats wiped out tory support in scotland completely

[Crimson Dynamo]

20 working police officers in and around number 10 when that party was going on

[arista]

[Boris Johnson in a pillow fight at Eton School, September 1979]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish independence takes a huge leap forward this week

[LaLaLand]

Two Downing Street parties held evening before Prince Philip’s funeral

Staff inside Downing Street held two staff leaving events featuring alcohol, and one with loud music, on the evening before Prince Philip’s funeral in April last year, when such social contact remained banned, according to new allegations reported on Thursday.

Eyewitnesses told the Daily Telegraph that a combined total of about 30 people took part in what appeared to be social events in different parts of Downing Street, before both gatherings combined in the garden.

According to one attender, a staff member was sent with a suitcase to the Co-op on the Strand, a short walk away, returning with the case filled with bottles of wine.

Philip’s funeral took place in the private chapel at Windsor Castle the next day, Saturday 17 April, with the Queen sitting alone to maintain social distancing.

Boris Johnson was not at Downing Street that evening, having gone to the prime ministerial country retreat, Chequers, on the Thursday evening and remaining into the weekend.

At the time, England was in stage two of the government’s gradual relaxation from lockdown. Up to six people or two families could meet outside, while indoors, people could only socialise with their household or support bubble.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...uneral-reports

Even THE QUEEN stuck to the rules at her own husband's funeral mere hours after one of these parties. Shocking. I have no words for them, it's just disgusting.

[LaLaLand]

(Elaborating on above post)

Tony Diver from The Telegraph tweets (Link):

We have spoken to eyewitnesses. At a leaving do for a No10 photographer it’s alleged:

- Staff partied in the basement of No10, to music DJd by a special adviser.

- One broke Wilf Johnson’s swing in the No10 garden.

- Another was sent to the Co-op with a suitcase to buy booze.

Another event held to mark the departure of James Slack, Mr Johnson’s chief spinner, saw:

- Staff gathered for a speech from Slack, with others dialling in via Zoom.

- Booze drunk and attendees spilling into the garden.

- Chatting and drinking into the early hours.

At the time Britain was in Step 2 of lockdown easing - which banned indoor gatherings and imposed the rule of six outside.

But the celebrations in No10 meant around 30 people were gathered for what a source declares were definitely parties.

[bots]

you have to ask, if they had this many parties during a time when everything is locked down, how many do they usually have

I think there have just been too many occasions now where rules were broken. If it had been a one off and a misunderstanding, it could probably have been recoverable, but not now. These events wouldnt have happened if Boris had set the right tone for his staff, and it's obvious he just didn't

These last 2 events. It was on the news every day for the previous week how the queen was only able to have a couple of family attend Philips funeral, no-one could have missed it. No one could have missed the fact that the queen was going to have to sit alone .... and yet number 10 thought it was ok to hold a couple of parties with a suitcase of booze. Even the use of a suitcase shows they knew they were doing wrong and trying to hide it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like most things in business and Government all the faux concerns about the nations health is really just the fear of blame. So far not one person has lost a job for too many restrictions. The restrictions and lockdowns imposed were to do with avoiding blame and so the people who imposed them did not really think they were really needed so they did not really bother about them.

I think its really that sad and simple

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Like most things in business and Government all the faux concerns about the nations health is really just the fear of blame. So far not one person has lost a job for too many restrictions. The restrictions and lockdowns imposed were to do with avoiding blame and so the people who imposed them did not really think they were really needed so they did not really bother about them.

I think its really that sad and simple

did you see Rees Mogg yestereday saying they need to look at the restrictions at the time to see if they were proportionate

[joeysteele]

I am now in my life after going through political searching an unashamed Labour member and supporter.
So no matter the personal inferences and attacks I've had on here since I changed my political leaning.
I stand happily with it.

I rarely intensely dislike anyone I've NEVER met.
I have however for some reason always disliked Johnson, never saw him as trustworthy or anyone who should hold high office.

He stated no rules had been broken ages ago now it seems in parliament.
Here we are seeing with facts, from himself too that they were and more than once obviously too.

With what's been revealed already, even today and the admission after being caught out by Johnson's Director of Communications, of more rule breaks last year now too.

Quite what this inquiry by someone of whom Johnson is in effect her BOSS, can reveal is puzzling.
She was assigned to see if there was truth in these parties being held.
We already know definitely they were.
She can't assign blame or recommend action against anyone either it seems.
So the whole inquiry now has been almost made void by the revelations and admissions since.

Plus, as was said on Question Time last night.
When has Johnson stood by an inquiry which he didn't personally accept.
The answer is he doesn't normally.

So where can this inquiry he and his Ministers are hiding behind now really take us.

The end result is, Johnson was chosen by the Conservative party to lead it and be their Prime Minister too.
43% of voters entrusted him with the high office and responsibility of running and controlling all his government for the supposed good of ALL the Nation.

Number 10 is both HIS workplace, political base and also his home too.
It is then to me, and I think to most others now, inconceivable that he should not and did not, know what was happening in his workplace and his home in effect.

His presence not needed for these parties but his authority to permit definitely a factor.

All these admissions and only now apologies, are from being caught out.
There'd have been none of either, if these had been able to be covered up completely.
Not a chance.

It is beyond belief the police have not acted.
However have pounced on people where only 3 or 4 others were involved.

IF, the backbenchers allow this man to stay as PM, that will be a sad day for the Conservative party in my view.
His Cabinet of course say they support him.
They have larger salaries and more political status being selected to be in his Cabinet.

However for all the misleading alone, never mind lies as he KNEW he was at one at least.
He should be made to go.

From my political hope being in the Labour party it could be more advantageous him staying in place to the next election now.
Because as with Jo Swinson in the 2019 election, as leader of the Lib Dems, she was hammered for all she had supported in the coalition period.
Which she and her party couldn't get past.

In the next election, if Johnson stays in place, then this scandal and total mess, will also be likely played on heavily, which will make for difficulties in the campaign.

That may well be now of benefit to the party I now support.
However I care more for the Country.
This compulsive political deceiver and liar Johnson is not competent or decent enough to be still Prime Minister.
He never was as I'm biased against him, in my opinion.

In any crisis now however, he could never be believed as to his word.
It's all misleading, deceit and lies he delivers.
Really shameful in my view.

[arista]

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

As there Boss it very much matters and it does change a lot - this will be the thing that will trigger his sacking

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

that's not true, whether he was there or not is irrelevant. He sets the rules and behaviour of his staff. It's obvious he told them it was fine to have these events.

He has to go, and he will be forced out. The inquiry is meaningless now

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's not true, whether he was there or not is irrelevant. He sets the rules and behaviour of his staff. It's obvious he told them it was fine to have these events.

He has to go, and he will be forced out. The inquiry is meaningless now

Yes, if they can get the big 54 total of MP's
he will go.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

I'm actually really personally surprised at you saying that.
Still, there it is I guess.

You DON'T have to be at something to know it's happening.
A PM who unbelievably and inconceivably hasn't a clue what is taking place in his workplace and his home too, doesn't send any positive signals as to his governance of government and Country.

[arista]

Joey that week May 2020
loads broke Covid rules
on Beaches and Parks

To many for the Police