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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...ty-in-utrecht/

Netherlands: 64 arrests, dozens of fines as police break up illegal party in utrecht

Eight people who are said to have organised the party, which also had a DJ, were also picked up.

The police went to the location after a tip-off, and sealed off the entrances so all partygoers could be checked as they tried to leave.

In total, 57 people were given on the spot fines and 54, who were without ID, were taken to an arrest centre to wait for family members to bring their papers, police said in a statement.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: travel operator D-Reizen bankrupt, due to corona not enough money from holidays, also the government refund was too late to save them

D-Reizen has 285 stores throughout the country, with 1.150 employees


a curator is examining possibilities of a new start under a new name, new investor

[arista]

On Radio 4 Friday 8PM
Any Questions, I record,

First caller wants to take her mother out of
a care home in a wheelchair to the Park,
she can, but on return must Isolate for 14 days
in the care home.


I am sorry she is so Desperate
to take her mother to the park.

But I agree with the care home
we are in a Pandemic
this Deadly Covid-19
can KILL off all in that Care Home.

[arista]

EasyJet: Two test travel plan would be too expensive

[But pre-departure and post-arrival tests would be required,
potentially costing up to Ł200 each.]


Look you Ponce of a CEO
buy them in Bulk
Total cost Ł30-40


[EasyJet CEO Johan Lundgren said:
"You wouldn't open
up international travel for everyone,
but only those who can afford it."]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56647119

[arista]

Bloody Prime Minister
now having to go over (SkyNewsHD , BBCnewsHD)
what he said yesterday's road map, again.

Next Time Johnson Stop doing 30mins
Fast Briefing
Do a POXY HOUR

[Vicky.]

Ugh. Had it out with father in law yesterday who is whinging about society opening back up again somewhat. He said even with the slowish way we are going..we are definitely gunna have another wave, should stay in, halt opening up...etc. However, he also aknowledges the huge changes the vaccinations have made. He says the vulnerable are no longer vulerable, and I tend to agree. So I asked him what the issue with another wave would be, even if we had millions infected. If those who are at risk of bad infection are no longer at risk of said bad infection, and infact will be extremely likely to have asymptomatic infection. Do infection rates even matter anymore? It seemed to be the first time he had even thought of it that way. He sent me a message this morning thanking me And said he had been worrying himself sick but I was right. Another wave, in a poplation that has largely protected its vulnerable people as much as is actually possible..is NOT really a issue. He then noted that the local paper has apparently gone back to reporting infection rates instead of deaths, and hes only just noticed.

I am not understanding the angst about another possible wave, if we do believe in the vaccination program and believe the numbers are correct, which as far as I know we have no reason at all to disbelieve and the falling numbers alongside the vaccinations going up kind of...well prove that it IS that effective at keeping people safe?

[arista]

[well prove that it IS that effective at keeping people safe?]


Yes thats the plan,

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ugh. Had it out with father in law yesterday who is whinging about society opening back up again somewhat. He said even with the slowish way we are going..we are definitely gunna have another wave, should stay in, halt opening up...etc. However, he also aknowledges the huge changes the vaccinations have made. He says the vulnerable are no longer vulerable, and I tend to agree. So I asked him what the issue with another wave would be, even if we had millions infected. If those who are at risk of bad infection are no longer at risk of said bad infection, and infact will be extremely likely to have asymptomatic infection. Do infection rates even matter anymore? It seemed to be the first time he had even thought of it that way. He sent me a message this morning thanking me And said he had been worrying himself sick but I was right. Another wave, in a poplation that has largely protected its vulnerable people as much as is actually possible..is NOT really a issue. He then noted that the local paper has apparently gone back to reporting infection rates instead of deaths, and hes only just noticed.

I am not understanding the angst about another possible wave, if we do believe in the vaccination program and believe the numbers are correct, which as far as I know we have no reason at all to disbelieve and the falling numbers alongside the vaccinations going up kind of...well prove that it IS that effective at keeping people safe?

The actual medical worry of a 3rd wave is that higher infection numbers of mild infection (vastly) increases the risk of mutations, and the more mutations there are the higher the likelihood that one of those mutations will not be recognised by vaccine antibodies and then we're back to square 1. Well, not square 1 exactly, it wouldn't require a whole new vaccine development as the current ones can be tweaked for mutations, but it would be square 1 for vaccine manufacturing and rollout.

In theory, though, they just need to keep doing widescale lab testing - identify mutations as they emerge, motitor for any that are showing signs of dominance, tweak the vaccine and roll out a booster. In theory, we DO have time to do that between identifying an emerging strain and that strain becoming widespread.

It's also not a DEFINITE problem, just a theoretical one.

But yes other than that - the papers switching from deaths to infection numbers is exactly what they did last suimmer when deaths went way down... they'll report whichever number sounds "biggest and scariest" becausr that sells papers. It's a really toxic cycle. Same as demanding lockdowns when things are open, and demanding freedoms when things are locked down.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The actual medical worry of a 3rd wave is that higher infection numbers of mild infection (vastly) increases the risk of mutations, and the more mutations there are the higher the likelihood that one of those mutations will not be recognised by vaccine antibodies and then we're back to square 1. Well, not square 1 exactly, it wouldn't require a whole new vaccine development as the current ones can be tweaked for mutations, but it would be square 1 for vaccine manufacturing and rollout.

In theory, though, they just need to keep doing widescale lab testing - identify mutations as they emerge, motitor for any that are showing signs of dominance, tweak the vaccine and roll out a booster. In theory, we DO have time to do that between identifying an emerging strain and that strain becoming widespread.

It's also not a DEFINITE problem, just a theoretical one.

But yes other than that - the papers switching from deaths to infection numbers is exactly what they did last suimmer when deaths went way down... they'll report whichever number sounds "biggest and scariest" because that sells papers. It's a really toxic cycle. Same as demanding lockdowns when things are open, and demanding freedoms when things are locked down.

Very interesting, thanks. Its really not something for the 'general public' to be too concerned with though? And is unlikely to be any huge issue even if it did potentially arise unless we 'take our eye off the ball' so to speak?

Are we still going with asymptomatic infections are much less likely to pass onto others also? Oddly, I cannot find too much data on that..where..to me thats one of the most important considerations in any of this?! If so..we cannot do anything about anything more at all really. Unless people want lockdown forever, this is kind of...it? If we cannot develop a vaccine that stops people actually catching and/or passing on (which I assume we cannot, or we would have, or it would be 'in development' and big news), this is the next best thing...freedom, with plenty of keeping up with things behind the scenes.

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i've been hyper careful for a year, and knowing that 3 weeks after i had my first jab i was able to go out into the big wide world with a pretty high degree of confidence of no serious illness is such a wonderful thing. This current lock down has gone on to long, and if anything, i think the government have been over cautious, which is very unlike them

People shouldn't underestimate the desperation that people feel to return to a normal life. The novelty of lockdown and restrictions has long since worn off.

[arista]

Next Monday
Wales will let the English in.

How nice of them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Next Monday
Wales will let the English in.

How nice of them.

Kate will be first across the border

[bots]

Kate will be transporting in a suitcase full of covid

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Very interesting, thanks. Its really not something for the 'general public' to be too concerned with though? And is unlikely to be any huge issue even if it did potentially arise unless we 'take our eye off the ball' so to speak?

Are we still going with asymptomatic infections are much less likely to pass onto others also? Oddly, I cannot find too much data on that..where..to me thats one of the most important considerations in any of this?! If so..we cannot do anything about anything more at all really. Unless people want lockdown forever, this is kind of...it? If we cannot develop a vaccine that stops people actually catching and/or passing on (which I assume we cannot, or we would have, or it would be 'in development' and big news), this is the next best thing...freedom, with plenty of keeping up with things behind the scenes.

They just don't really know in terms of transmission. In theory coughing/sneezing etc. is the main thing that generates the droplets and aerosols to pass it on, but they've recently discovered that a lot of "normal human activity" like heavy breathing (from exercise), or even just speaking loudly, generates aerosols which wasn't actually known pre-Covid. There's also the issue of viral load - how high is it in unsymptomatic people, how high does it need to be to be a significant risk of transmission, etc. which are also still being worked out but this is research that takes years.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: tuesdays recap of the numbers so far

in one week time, 7% less new cases, but number of tests is lower 10%


the coming weeks are crucial if they keep decreasing or not, the R-Rate at March 22nd was 1,01, decrease of cases was in all age groups but mostly with people below 18, and over 80


number of ICU patients climbed with 19% last week, 10% higher than one week earlier

3% more hospitalisations than the week before, and in one week time 142 deaths

[arista]

Poor Old Janet Street Porter
Angry at Scotland.

She said there are no Places to stay for a Holiday.

At the Start of LW ITV1HD
today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've been hyper careful for a year, and knowing that 3 weeks after i had my first jab i was able to go out into the big wide world with a pretty high degree of confidence of no serious illness is such a wonderful thing. This current lock down has gone on to long, and if anything, i think the government have been over cautious, which is very unlike them

People shouldn't underestimate the desperation that people feel to return to a normal life. The novelty of lockdown and restrictions has long since worn off.

they need to end this ridiculous lockdown and end it now

the games up, they have the vaccine, no more excuses of fearmongering