[smartalec2718]

Oh my dear sweet Buddha. Everything you're saying reinforces my point, and you don't even realize it.

Let's dive right in and analyze this trainwreck of a post.

Originally Posted by SoBig

They were all bitter that Coach did not take them to the final 3. Fact. Every single last one of them. He controlled how the votes went. They basically all said "You are the reason why I'm not sitting in that chair right now, you aren't getting my vote!"

Um...duh. Coach made promises he really could not keep to Cochran, Edna, Rick, Brandon, and Ozzy. He was setting himself up to fail by promising a final three berth to all of these people, when you obviously cannot uphold a final three deal with more than two other people. Making promises he couldn't keep, coupled with claiming to play a game of honor and integrity, was really as stupid a strategy as they come. Sure, they got him to the end because everyone thought he was on their side and so they had no reason to vote him out, but it is a textbook way to create bitter jurors.

Now here is where you divorce yourself from reality. Somehow you seem to believe that it is possible for a "bitter jury" to "rob" someone of a deserved win. I've said it before, I'm saying it now, and I'll say it again if necessary; IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE "ROBBED" IN SURVIVOR. Juries may be bitter and vote against someone who screwed them, but that means the person they're bitter toward did NOT play a good game and did NOT deserve to win! A good player will manage a jury well by NOT screwing every juror over, or at least, not appearing to. Sophie did this by pushing most of the responsibility for late-game boots onto Coach. A good player manage a jury well by winning sympathy and support in the last few tribal councils. Sophie also did this much better than Coach.

Coach made deals he couldn't keep, then still claimed he was an honorable man even as he inevitably had to start shanking people in the back as numbers dwindled. Sure, Coach was part of the reason "[others] weren't sitting in that chair" at the final three, but he failed to come clean about his deceptions or win the jury over, therefore, he deserved to lose.

Originally Posted by SoBig

They didn't hate Sophie for how she played the game. Lets be honest she had zero say in who stayed and who was voted out. She was easily going to win because of that.

Nope, wrong. Throughout the game post-merge Albert and Coach both came up with numerous harebrained schemes to break away from the original Upolu alliance and team up with some of the remaining Savaiis. See, for example, Albert's plan to vote out Dawn before Jim, Albert's plan to team up with Dawn/Whitney/Cochran only 1 episode later to blindside Edna, Coach considering blindsiding Rick as per Cochran's plan, Coach promising Ozzy final three and offering his HII if Ozzy were in trouble, etc.

NONE of these dumb ideas ever came to fruition. Do you know why? Stay-the-course Sophie. Sure, it may not have made compelling television, but she always shot down the stupid schemes these other two cooked up because she knew it wouldn't help her get to the end. She had a lot more than "zero say" in who went because she constantly had to fend off idiotic plans from Albert and Coach to convince them to stick to the original plan to vote out Savaii and then Cochran, Edna, Brandon, and Rick.

Originally Posted by SoBig

Only reason coach did not win, because the jury was bitter that it wasn't them in that chair besides him.

Once again...DUH...if he had dropped the honor/integrity BS and dealt with the jury in a stand-up way when they were still in the game and at FTC, they wouldn't have been bitter and Coach would have won. That was the flaw in his game.

Originally Posted by SoBig

If Coach played with last season's cast I'd bet anything that he would have won with that group. Coach played basically the same exact game that Rob played last year.

LMAO @ Coach played a crap game. I get that you are a Sophie fan, but come on dude.

Idle speculation at best. And I stand by what I said about Coach playing a crap game. He was playing to get to the end, but not to win the money. Getting to the end is only half the battle. The other half is getting there in such a way that will not preclude those you eliminated from voting for you. Your disregard for this crucial element of the game is remarkably reminiscent of Russell's.

[SoBig]

I'm not even mad that Sophie won. I'm happy that Coach did not win after backstabbing Ozzy. But Coach should have won, because he played the better game from start to finish.

[Marc]

Coach did better than Ozzy in this game, strategically but Ozzy prevailed with challenges.

[LemonJam]

Cast ranking, anyone?

1. Albert <3
2. Stacey <3
3. Dawn <3

4. Cochran
5. Brandon (Sue me.)
6. Edna
7. Sophie
8. Christine

9. Coach (Worst season for Coach)
10. Semhar
11. Rick
12. Keith
13. Mikayla
14. Jim

15. Papa Bear
16. Elyse
17. Whitney

18. Ozzy

[Marc]

FvF and Heroes V Villians were brilliant. Cook islands was good (you may see a running theme with these )

Samoa for reasons I won't say because it'll ruin it for you.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Marc.

FvF and Heroes V Villians were brilliant. Cook islands was good (you may see a running theme with these )

Samoa for reasons I won't say because it'll ruin it for you.

:c onf:

Cook Islands is THE worst season, without a doubt.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

:c onf:

Cook Islands is THE worst season, without a doubt.

It's got Parvati and Penner, but that's all it really has going for it. And I still think the tribes being decided by race twist was just odd.

China, in my opinion, is probably the best. Though Amazon closely follows it.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

It's got Parvati and Penner, but that's all it really has going for it. And I still think the tribes being decided by race twist was just odd.

China, in my opinion, is probably the best. Though Amazon closely follows it.

I watched all the seasons of Survivor the passed 2 months and to me Cook Islands, Heroes Vs Villains, Samoa and Palau were by far the best.

China, Africa, Gabon, Borneo and Australia being tied for the worst.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I watched all the seasons of Survivor the passed 2 months and to me Cook Islands, Heroes Vs Villains, Samoa and Palau were by far the best.

China, Africa, Gabon, Borneo and Australia being tied for the worst.

That's Survivor Thailand, in my opinion. Even though I think Brian is one of the best winners ever.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I watched all the seasons of Survivor the passed 2 months and to me Cook Islands, Heroes Vs Villains, Samoa and Palau were by far the best.

China, Africa, Gabon, Borneo and Australia being tied for the worst.

: joker::j oker: That's such a joke of a list it's not even funny.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

:c onf:

Cook Islands is THE worst season, without a doubt.

Tis my opinion.