[Nicky91]

any incoming travel here in Netherlands must be thoroughly screened, tested, quarantined and people can only enter upon ''negative tests only'' so no questionable cases either (who first got positive test, then negative test)

but there is a negative travel advice anyways, with the code orange


shame certain dutch people still have to go to germany, sneak into there to shop many cases in german towns have come from that

[Kizzy]

I'm not a cynic. ... as you know....

But does anyone else think that this is why they postponed the 2nd Pfizer jabs for the vulnerable?

If they are proven the more effective of the 2, then they are going to be in greater demand.
I really can't see any other reason that makes any sense to have cancelled appointments for it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not a cynic. ... as you know....

But does anyone else think that this is why they postponed the 2nd Pfizer jabs for the vulnerable?

If they are proven the more effective of the 2, then they are going to be in greater demand.
I really can't see any other reason that makes any sense to have cancelled appointments for it.

As I understand it .. there’s a shortage of available vaccines so they want to give as many people as possible an initial dose to try and slow this virus down ... then worry about the second dose whenever possible .


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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

As I understand it .. there’s a shortage of available vaccines so they want to give as many people as possible an initial dose to try and slow this virus down ... then worry about the second dose whenever possible .


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Nah... I don't buy it we had 60m doses of Pfizer and 100m of Oxford, plenty to carry on with the inoculation of those already receiving Pfizer whilst rolling out the Oxford jabs simultaneously.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nah... I don't buy it we had 60m doses of Pfizer and 100m of Oxford, plenty to carry on with the inoculation of those already receiving Pfizer whilst rolling out the Oxford jabs simultaneously.

Really ??

Maybe we ORDERED all those ...


Pretty sure I heard that the only things slowing down the vaccine program is shortage of vaccines and shortage of staff available to administer them ..


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nah... I don't buy it we had 60m doses of Pfizer and 100m of Oxford, plenty to carry on with the inoculation of those already receiving Pfizer whilst rolling out the Oxford jabs simultaneously.

We have ORDERED hundreds of millions of doses. They haven't actually been manufactured or delivered.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We have ORDERED hundreds of millions of doses. They haven't actually been manufactured or delivered.

Really? Pfizer said millions of doses had been sent and the government reported recieving 22 deliveries on Christmas day.

[Zizu]

On a serious note ... now I’m not certain which vaccines they are producing BUT I just heard someone on LBC report that India have tonight put a total ban on exporting vaccines produced in their country ..

This may or not be disastrous for the uk I really can’t say but it doesn’t sound like a good development ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Wow the Oxford one only offers 70% immunity after the first jab? That’s a lot lower than I thought. They made out that two jobs offer 90-95% immunity and that there was barely any difference between 1 jab and 2 jabs. Maybe the Oxford vaccine just has the lowest immunity of all of them?

Is that correct .. ..

I don’t suppose you get a choice when the call comes though ..



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[Zizu]

Sobering thoughts from Thomas Moore Sky Science correspondent

So we know that the recent rise in infections is solely due to this new more virulent variant - it is 50% more transmittable .

The virus is staying one step ahead of the science .
It’s basically a race now between the ‘injections’ versus ‘infections’ ‘

90% of deaths are over 65 and we have 17 million people over 65 .

The dilemma is how quickly can we get an initial dose into 17 million people ... as the virus ain’t sitting around waiting ..


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[arista]

The World Health Org.
Pfizer The 2 Vaccines must be done within 21 days.

Not the long UK 12 weeks

SkyNewsHD
said they stated that while the PM did his Conference, just now.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

The World Health Org.
Pfizer The 2 Vaccines must be done within 21 days.

Not the long UK 12 weeks

SkyNewsHD
said they stated that while the PM did his Conference, just now.

Still difficult to believe we just decided to freeball it and see what happened, and that people were defending them for it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Still difficult to believe we just decided to freeball it and see what happened, and that people were defending them for it.

well thats not the case is it. The vaccination authority made the decision, and thats their role. I don't know enough about it to know if its right or wrong, but i will happily take any jabs i can get

[Cherry Christmas]

1.3 million vaccinated across the UK 23% of over 80s in England vaccinated

Daily figures of vaccinations from Monday

job for Arista

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well thats not the case is it. The vaccination authority made the decision, and thats their role. I don't know enough about it to know if its right or wrong, but i will happily take any jabs i can get

You have no idea. I was being way more charitable than my actual thoughts on the matter; it's not like this government hasn't already forced numerous professionals to take steps against their own expertise.

Experimenting (which it demonstrably was) on us in the middle of a raging pandemic/mutation, by ignoring the advice of the vaccine manufacturers, can't be whistled away.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You have no idea. I was being way more charitable than my actual thoughts on the matter; it's not like this government hasn't already forced numerous professionals to take steps against their own expertise.

Experimenting (which it demonstrably was) on us in the middle of a raging pandemic/mutation, by ignoring the advice of the vaccine manufacturers, can't be whistled away.

i don't believe a word the government says now, but the vaccine authority are independent and if the government had forced them down the greater interval path, someone would have squealed about it by now

[Zizu]

Just watching the South African health minister on Sky News ... their health system is teetering on collapse . Although their new variant doesn’t appear to be any more harmful/severe the ridiculously high numbers involved sadly equate to far worse outcomes ( deaths )

Even more worrying ( if that’s possible) is that doctors on the front line are seeing more and more positive cases in people who have already tested positive for older strains of Covid19 ...


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[Zizu]

I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of this virus but the SA guy on Sky News just then mentioned something about it being somewhat different as the vaccines that are available concentrate on a protein strand or something but the SA isn’t targeting the same area so companies will have to produce vaccines covering a ‘wider base’ ... his words not mine ..

Hopefully somebody else can explain things better than I can .




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[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of this virus but the SA guy on Sky News just then mentioned something about it being somewhat different as the vaccines that are available concentrate on a protein strand or something but the SA isn’t targeting the same area so companies will have to produce vaccines covering a ‘wider base’ ... his words not mine ..

Hopefully somebody else can explain things better than I can .

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i think it's best to leave them to test their vaccines and not speculate at this point. If we keep going round in circles, we wont achieve anything

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think it's best to leave them to test their vaccines and not speculate at this point. If we keep going round in circles, we wont achieve anything

That’s true to a point .. just thought people should know that the SA variant is being contracted by people who’d already had Covid19 so it’s entirely feasible that the UK variant MAY also be similar


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[Zizu]

Sky News update on the SA variant



Although ...

Excuse copy and paste .


Britain is putting vulnerable people at risk from mutant variants of the coronavirus by delaying the second dose of the vaccine, according to South Africa's top adviser on immunisations.
South Africa is suffering a sharp spike in cases, driven by a new variant that may reduce the effectiveness of vaccines.
That threat has been underlined by new lab tests showing that antibodies may be at least 10 times less effective against the new variant, which is separate to the mutation that was originally identified in England.

Professor Barry Schoub, chair of the South African government's vaccine advisory committee, told Sky News that border controls won't stop the virus and that giving just one dose would reduce protection in the most vulnerable.




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[arista]

[arista]

Birmingham
say they have not enough Vaccine
for the amount booked.

[FaLaLaLand]

Guy on BBC news now said he's seen data today from an immunology lab that looks "promising" re: the vaccines protecting people against the worrisome South Africa strain of COVID.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

Guy on BBC news now said he's seen data today from an immunology lab that looks "promising" re: the vaccines protecting people against the worrisome South Africa strain of COVID.

Yes that American
Sir John Bell.
at the OxfordAstraZenneca Lab,