[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and how many are actually ill - in bed at deaths door?



just a number would be great

That’s irrelevant as each one can now pass it onto gawd knows how many others will are far more likely to get very ill and even die ...


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[bitontheslide]

the critical figure has always been the number of hospital admissions as that indicates the number of seriously ill and the number of hospital beds taken up by covid patients is tiny at the moment.


The issue with increased infection numbers is that there is a higher chance of catching it and/or passing it on to someone who is vulnerable, however, those that are vulnerable will be fine if they social distance, so it's up to individuals to make sure they are safe, it's in their own hands

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s irrelevant as each one can now pass it onto gawd knows how many others will are far more likely to get very ill and even die ...


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Exactly and with the most vulnerable too, now told they no longer shield.
That danger is even more increased.

You are right in my view.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by zizu

that’s irrelevant as each one can now pass it onto gawd knows how many others will are far more likely to get very ill and even die ...


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so i take it that you dont know

and this is obviously the problem

what we are doing is projecting that these people are gravely ill and they are not

scaremongering

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the critical figure has always been the number of hospital admissions as that indicates the number of seriously ill and the number of hospital beds taken up by covid patients is tiny at the moment.


The issue with increased infection numbers is that there is a higher chance of catching it and/or passing it on to someone who is vulnerable, however, those that are vulnerable will be fine if they social distance, so it's up to individuals to make sure they are safe, it's in their own hands

Epidemiologists have already said the "most vulnerable" are already dead

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Epidemiologists have already said the "most vulnerable" are already dead

that is absolutely true, because the death rate is now below the year to year average which is because covid has already killed a lot of the vulnerable, however, its not a static situation, people enter the vulnerable category continuously

[LeatherTrumpet]

Infection rates rise but deaths and hospital admissions remain low as experts
say people are passing on smaller doses of coronavirus due to social distancing

In England, there are about 450 patients in hospital with Covid-19 – well below the 17,000 that were during the pandemic's peak in April.




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...emain-low.html

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so i take it that you dont know

and this is obviously the problem

what we are doing is projecting that these people are gravely ill and they are not

scaremongering

I truly hope that things aren’t as dire as they seem , bud


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide;

So those that are vulnerable will be fine if they social distance, so it's up to individuals to make sure they are safe, it's in their own hands

Only up to a point though ...I’m over 60 and still working in classes in a high school with 1200 pupils and well over a 100 staff .. pupils are not wearing masks in class ..


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[arista]

[Ammi]

Matt Hancock: Rise in COVID-19 cases 'concerning'...


https://news.sky.com/video/matt-hanc...rning-12065409


...indeed, very concerning, Matt Hancock...as if he’s had an extended loo break during this time and not played any part in that ‘concerning’....pfffftttt...make sure that you wash your hands while singing Happy Birthday to yourself before you and your government return to culpability land, Matt...

[AnnieK]

One of our local high schools in Salford have had a confirmed case in year 7. That year group are all self isolating for 2 weeks but all the other years are still in. And so it begins....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

One of our local high schools in Salford have had a confirmed case in year 7. That year group are all self isolating for 2 weeks but all the other years are still in. And so it begins....

...I guess in a city that you have test centres close by, Annie...because especially as it all strives for ‘normality’ more now...testing is such a vital thing...


....but yeah, it’s been one of the toughest times for year 7’s particularly as well...because so many ‘final things’ that they weren’t able to experience in their year 6......and not able to properly meet their new school either as previous year 6 that have gone before...now they’ve barely been there and again that meeting and feeling comfortable is interrupted again...they obviously need to isolate that bubble, but it’s just so sad...

[bitontheslide]

it should never get back to the point we were at in March if people are wearing masks and/or social distancing

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it should never get back to the point we were at in March if people are wearing masks and/or social distancing

Assuming that masks and social distancing are what resulted in the drop in cases.

I'm not saying that isn't the case (although I think it's important to emphasise that it's still social distancing and hand hygiene that are the most important things by far).

But yeah there's no actual data on this. We know the things we did and we know those things work in test conditions, we know that case numbers fell... But we have no real robust data to confirm the causal relationship.

[bitontheslide]

what i mean to say is that cases are going to rise as we go from a complete lockdown to having an open society again, and we should never lose sight of the fact that the reason we had the lockdown was to reduce the rate of infection and thus reduce the pressure on the NHS. It doesn't matter how many are infected if the pressure on the NHS remains below it's critical threshold. Obviously from a safety point of view we want the infection rate as low as possible, but it is what it is until we get effective treatment and/or a vaccine

[arista]

Experts are saying the next 7 days
will show us how & what, this (2,988 yesterday) massive infection means.


BBC1 AM

[arista]

Ref:GMBHD itv

The London Mayor confirmed
some in London who needed a Covid-19 Test
were told to go to the Isle of Wight.



MTVN
thinks there is no problem getting tests

How Wrong he is.

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

One of our local high schools in Salford have had a confirmed case in year 7. That year group are all self isolating for 2 weeks but all the other years are still in. And so it begins....

Thats why the year groups are in bubbles. At the school I work at they have assigned each building to a year group and they have to remain in that bubble so if someone on the building is positive then its that year group that has to isolate rather than the whole school

[Strictly Jake]

Do we know what the R rate currently is?

I have no idea where we currently stand on all that now we dont have the daily coronavirus updates and graphs etc. I thought things are supposed to change of the R rate is over 1?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Thats why the year groups are in bubbles. At the school I work at they have assigned each building to a year group and they have to remain in that bubble so if someone on the building is positive then its that year group that has to isolate rather than the whole school

...it’s so much easier to risk assess for primary schools, I think...for many it would be only one class representing one year group/bubble...obviously more classes for the bigger town/city schools etc...but still much less than a higher school which have multiple primary’s feeding into them...I can’t even begin to fathom that, how to make it all work with all of the assessment considerations that are needed to implement...

[Strictly Jake]

The peak age range of infection is now people in their 20s.

Just consider that for a moment whilst you remember, in the next couple of weeks universities are about to open to 1000s of students at each one flying in from all around the world. Brazil...Spain...France
..India


As I clean at a university and at a school I feel extremely nervous as the days go on. I wear gloves and a mask. But is that enough? Yes im not one of the vunerable. But I have a 5 month old baby at home who hasnt really being exposed to the outside world much during lockdown etc

People on here saying the infection rate increasing isnt worrying. Well for some of us it is

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Ref:GMBHD itv

The London Mayor confirmed
some in London who needed a Covid-19 Test
were told to go to the Isle of Wight.



MTVN
thinks there is no problem getting tests

How Wrong he is.

The testing is still far from fit for purpose..
Even to the time of getting the results too.

However, Johnson just has to say all is wonderful and it's believed.

People are having to travel fairly long distances still just to get a test, as you say.
However it's stated almost every day on news or shows where covid comes up.

No wonder they stopped the daily briefings.
They can continue to deceive with next to no scrutiny.

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s so much easier to risk assess for primary schools, I think...for many it would be only one class representing one year group/bubble...obviously more classes for the bigger town/city schools etc...but still much less than a higher school which have multiple primary’s feeding into them...I can’t even begin to fathom that, how to make it all work with all of the assessment considerations that are needed to implement...

Well my daughters primary school has 2 classes in her year and they have to stay in that bubble they cant interact with the other class, so you have staggered times of going in being picked up and playtimes. Even parents have to stay in that bubble outside the school they cant wait in another area(how that works for people with kids in different years...I dont know)

In the high school I work at its the same. Each building is big enough for one year group to be in. The building I clean is for year 7s. The main building of the school is for year 11s etc etc

But I do wonder for siblings who are in other year groups would that defeat the purpose of a bubble.

For instance...if the year 11s had one postive case so all got sent home....but the postive case had a younger sibling in year 7 for example....would the year 7s then also go off??

Its all very much a grey area!

[Strictly Jake]

Also within 2 days of being at school my niece has caught a cold. Very likely she will have to be told to stay at home now.

As we go into the winter months that is a lot of students who will be told to stay at home

And if someone can catch a cold that quickly at a school then its easy to catch other viruses too....they say its not worrying for kids to get it....but what about their relatives or teachers and other staff?