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Old 03-09-2014, 11:00 PM #426
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You cannot be known as a person that already exists, therefore your analogy is invalid. You can however be known by whatever gender you wish since it is a social construct

The only reason you refuse to cooperate is because you dislike Kellie. You had no problem addressing your favourite Luke A as a he
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Was it fun Vanessa.
It was amazing! Emma looked beautiful!
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I very much want to be known as the Duke of Aberdeenshire.......

...... but I'm worried about people thinking I'm pretentious!
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You cannot be known as a person that already exists, therefore your analogy is invalid. You can however be known by whatever gender you wish since it is a social construct

The only reason you refuse to cooperate is because you dislike Kellie. You had no problem addressing your favourite Luke A as a he
I think that's different as Luke A had completed the "transformation".
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I think that's different as Luke A had completed the "transformation".
Luke A was pre-op until recently I believe

But even so, it doesn't make a difference. Sex reassignment surgery changes just that, your sex. You don't need an operation to change your gender because it is a social construct and how you identify and present yourself to other people, it's made up of codes and stereotypes and isn't real. You can be whatever gender you want, you don't need an operation

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Sounds like you enjoyed it.
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Gary is now playing Lauren. More with it than i thought.
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You cannot be known as a person that already exists, therefore your analogy is invalid. You can however be known by whatever gender you wish since it is a social construct

The only reason you refuse to cooperate is because you dislike Kellie. You had no problem addressing your favourite Luke A as a he
Bloody hell , think if all the John Smiths out there breaking the law if you cannot be known as a person that alread exists , im sorry my dear but you are talking rot
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Luke A was pre-op until recently I believe
He hadnt just cut his hair short
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Apart from the fifty times that BOTS have said she is French. Luisa was being dumb.
She knows she's French, that's not what was asked.
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Gary got such a great reception. The crowd loves him! Shocked at how hostile the crowd was to Frenchie.
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Luke A was pre-op until recently I believe

But even so, it doesn't make a difference. Sex reassignment surgery changes just that, your sex. You don't need an operation to change your gender because it is a social construct and how you identify and present yourself to other people, it's made up of codes and stereotypes and isn't real. You can be whatever gender you want, you don't need an operation
That's gender roles. You don't have to conform to what tradition indicates male and females must do but there are still two different genders coming from your sex.

Gender shouldn't dictate your behaviour or compel you to act one way or another, you should be yourself but you are one or the other.

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Oh it was so much fun!
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Bloody hell , think if all the John Smiths out there breaking the law if you cannot be known as a person that alread exists , im sorry my dear but you are talking rot
Having the same name is not being the same person. You cannot physically be the same identical human being, same entity as someone else and no don't bring twins up. You're being really silly now.
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She knows she's French, that's not what was asked.

Sorry. I thought Luisa asked "are you really French" Could be wrong.

Nope, just rechecked.

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Bloody hell , think if all the John Smiths out there breaking the law if you cannot be known as a person that alread exists , im sorry my dear but you are talking rot
Yes, but you changing your name to Diana Ross isn't the same as you wanting to be the famous Diana Ross which is what you meant.
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Aye, they must have done the face 2 face already.
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He hadnt just cut his hair short
But he hadn't had his sex reassigned, that's the point. Biologically he was still female yet you rightly chose to address him by the gender (not sex) he wished to be known as, which was and is a man

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That's gender roles. You don't have to conform to what tradition indicates male and females must do but there are still two different genders coming from your sex.

Gender shouldn't dictate your behaviour or compel you to act one way or another, you should be yourself but you are one or the other.
But it does, every person on the planet is defined by their gender before anything else (except maybe ethnicity but I'd still say gender is more obvious) and it's the gender roles, socialisation, conventions and stereotypes that make up your gender that every person takes on. Men are expected to have short hair, women longer. Men are socialised and expected to be hard, firm and confident. Women passive, emotional and caring. Boys are expected to play with certain toys etc etc, many of these things are blurring and crossing over one another as the years pass by (not without much criticism from people who say 'he's not being a real man!!' or 'that's not very ladylike'...notice these are gender stereotypes too) but still

You can present yourself as any gender you wish, it's how you outwardly identify yourself to other people. How you dress, how you look, how you act. That's how people see you, that is gender. Your biological sex (male or female) isn't known to most people most of the time, it is your gender that identifies you to other people not your genitalia
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