[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

The priority should be Christians, women, and children.

[Livia]

Agree with Oliver, those most at risk should be first. I have no problem taking genuine refugees who have come through legal channels.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The priority should be Christians, women, and children.

Do you mean Christians who have gone there from the west? In which case we should be prioritising getting non-Afghanistan-citizens "home". There are very few (if any) non-closeted Christian native Afghan people because it's always been illegal to practice any religion other than Islam in Afghanistan, that's never changed.

I agree with getting women and children out first but I'd extend that to families; I don't think you can really justify separating families of refugees. But yes I would say children, women and families should be taken before solo male refugees. The unfortunate truth is that they're usually simply at less immediate risk, and also in terms of the "first safe country" argument, a solo male stands a much better chance in a refugee camp situation, whereas families are at much more urgent need of an actual home.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you mean Christians who have gone there from the west?

I was referring to Christians born there. Christians in the Middle East are always walking targets, but the rise of extremism just increases this.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I was referring to Christians born there. Christians in the Middle East are always walking targets, but the rise of extremism just increases this.

Christianity (and non-Islam religion) is illegal in Afghanistan and was all throughout the western occupoation; any Christians born in Afghanistan are practicing Christianity "in the closet" and always have been.

[bots]

the people at extreme risk are the women that took up senior positions in the previous regime, whether that was in government, law or promoting women's rights. They are the ones that led the way for women and i truly fear for their wellbeing

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Christianity (and non-Islam religion) is illegal in Afghanistan and was all throughout the western occupoation; any Christians born in Afghanistan are practicing Christianity "in the closet" and always have been.

Jesus, I was giving that hellhole waaaay too much credit

Yeah, airlift the Christians out of their asap, it's only gonna get worse...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the people at extreme risk are the women that took up senior positions in the previous regime, whether that was in government, law or promoting women's rights. They are the ones that led the way for women and i truly fear for their wellbeing

Yes .. plus any who speak out against you the Taliban to the media


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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the people at extreme risk are the women that took up senior positions in the previous regime, whether that was in government, law or promoting women's rights. They are the ones that led the way for women and i truly fear for their wellbeing

Must be absolutely terrifying for them

[Cherie]

The guy who runs the animal sanctuary in Kabul was on GMB this morning, he tried to get his wife and one of his pregnant female vets out yesterday, they had seats on a plane, but could not get into the airport with the throng of people and the military would not open the gates to let them in or they would been overrun, the Taliban are allowing this by crowd by not stopping people at checkpoints obviously they know this will hinder people trying to get out

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Christianity (and non-Islam religion) is illegal in Afghanistan and was all throughout the western occupoation; any Christians born in Afghanistan are practicing Christianity "in the closet" and always have been.

it's not just that it's illegal, the punishment is death. It's really not that much different to being non C of E during henry 8th's time

[Ninastar]

The thing that scares me the most is that we don’t know who is problematic and who isn’t, and that in itself is terrifying.

We should 100% be helping out refugees and those whose homes we have ruined within the last 20+ years. But at the same time, there will absolutely be a rise in terrorist attacks across the globe again.

Truly awful times.

Everything that has happened over these last few weeks (days really…) proves that we left the Middle East too early and we were no where near stabilising it…

This isn’t just some 20 year war… this is something that it’s going to take years and years and years.

There are still US stations in Germany after all these years… this is what we need to do with the Middle East. Help protect citizens until the threat are in the actual minority.

[bots]

the first thing the taliban did was free all the prisoners in jail. These prisoners were all known terrorists. The first thing they are going to do is take it out on the west, so it's basically already begun

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the first thing the taliban did was free all the prisoners in jail. These prisoners were all known terrorists. The first thing they are going to do is take it out on the west, so it's basically already begun

Yeah… These are some very scary times ahead and I don’t think people have realised it just yet

[Niamh.]

It's been handled very badly, that's for sure

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The guy who runs the animal sanctuary in Kabul was on GMB this morning, he tried to get his wife and one of his pregnant female vets out yesterday, they had seats on a plane, but could not get into the airport with the throng of people and the military would not open the gates to let them in or they would been overrun, the Taliban are allowing this by crowd by not stopping people at checkpoints obviously they know this will hinder people trying to get out

He needs to go
to the Airport to see it now
so long as you can past Taliban Check point
its all OK now


Yes The USA Troops Fired in the Air
to stop the massive amount entering.
His wife was caught in that.
So shocking

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's been handled very badly, that's for sure

Trump last night
made sense.

Saying get everyone out first
before giving the date.

[Cherie]

I think the most chilling part of it all how they are trying to troll the media by saying they have changed

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's been handled very badly, that's for sure

Absolutely.

The sad thing is that this is something the whole world needs to help take part in. I also think that someone who has never had experience in war/the military, shouldn’t be president/someone who can start a war without finishing it and ensuring that everything is stable before leaving.

It’s not just as simple as ‘leave them to it, it’s their country’ or ‘just nuke them all’, it’s something that takes the UN to agree on and plan for the next 50-100 years.

War isn’t always just killing innocents and enemies. It’s rebuilding schools and hospitals too. And a lot of people who have no knowledge of military life have no idea about this.

My kind of MIL (she calls herself that lol) was in Afghanistan and kids used to throw rocks and things at her and the soldiers. She would throw back socks and the kids were so happy… it’s crazy

[Ninastar]

I don’t really post on here anymore but I’ve been needing to find an outlet for my thoughts on this, bc this is the most worried I have been in years. I fear that this is the start of some very dark times

[bots]

it's very concerning. Even someone who helped our soldiers 20 years ago and is eligible to come to the uk/usa could have completely changed their allegiance in that time ... how can that be investigated/checked

[The Slim Reaper]

I think it's important to remember that Afghanistan doesn't pose a terrorist threat. They were invaded for harbouring Al-Qaeda which was based and funded on and by Saudi ideological Wahhabism. Saudi and Pakistan are the main perpetrators of terror in the region, and they aren't challenged by us because Pakistan has the bomb, and the Saudis have the money.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Absolutely.

The sad thing is that this is something the whole world needs to help take part in. I also think that someone who has never had experience in war/the military, shouldn’t be president/someone who can start a war without finishing it and ensuring that everything is stable before leaving.

It’s not just as simple as ‘leave them to it, it’s their country’ or ‘just nuke them all’, it’s something that takes the UN to agree on and plan for the next 50-100 years.

War isn’t always just killing innocents and enemies. It’s rebuilding schools and hospitals too. And a lot of people who have no knowledge of military life have no idea about this.

My kind of MIL (she calls herself that lol) was in Afghanistan and kids used to throw rocks and things at her and the soldiers. She would throw back socks and the kids were so happy… it’s crazy

The main folly is thinking that any amount of years can force people to change their belief or ideological systems and practices. The only way the region "modernises" is through an Islamic renaissance, not invasion and occupation.

Afghanistan was an open and westernised country in the 70's, until Russia invaded, and the US funded and trained the religious mujahedeen to fight them. People have the right of self determination, and not Uk and US imperialism and pseudo-colonisation.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The main folly is thinking that any amount of years can force people to change their belief or ideological systems and practices. The only way the region "modernises" is through an Islamic renaissance, not invasion and occupation.

Afghanistan was an open and westernised country in the 70's, until Russia invaded, and the US funded and trained the religious mujahedeen to fight them. People have the right of self determination, and not Uk and US imperialism and pseudo-colonisation.

I agree that everyone is entitled to their beliefs in ideologies. But when you have a certain country/group in power that are committing terrorist attacks all over the world, you can’t just sit back and let it happen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The main folly is thinking that any amount of years can force people to change their belief or ideological systems and practices. The only way the region "modernises" is through an Islamic renaissance, not invasion and occupation.

Afghanistan was an open and westernised country in the 70's, until Russia invaded, and the US funded and trained the religious mujahedeen to fight them. People have the right of self determination, and not Uk and US imperialism and pseudo-colonisation.

Sure but that's not much comfort to the women there who now have to get back to being non-human property with no autonomy