[arista]

Ukraine says it fought North Korean troops for first time


[North Korean soldiers have clashed with
Ukrainian troops for the first time,
Ukraine's top officials have revealed.

In an interview with South Korean
broadcaster KBS, Ukrainian Defence Minister
Rustem Umerov said a "small group"
of North Korean soldiers were attacked.
US officials told the Reuters news agency
that North Korean troops were engaged
in combat in the Kursk region
of Russia on 4 November.
Ukraine's leader Volodymyr Zelensky,
who had earlier condemned the West's lack
of response to the North Korean troops,
said these "first battles with North Korea
open a new chapter of instability in the world".

Seoul, however, said it "does not believe
[troops on both sides] engaged in
direct combat", but that there was
an "incident" involving a small number
of North Korean soldiers "near the frontline".

Ukraine says an estimated 11,000 North Korean
soldiers were in the Kursk border region,
where Ukrainian troops have a foothold.
In recent weeks, South Korean and US intelligence
as well as Nato have said that they have
seen evidence of North Korean troops
being involved in Russia's war.

But Moscow and Pyongyang have
so far not responded directly to any
of the allegations.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14le0p4310o

[Zizu]

Yikes


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[arista]

Ukraine
has Built School Classrooms
in the Underground Train platform
Glass panel.

Then they are safe.


But they go home on a Bus back to the
bombed-out school, to be picked up by their parents.
which of course is not safe.


Great report on SkyNewsHD
in Ukraine.

[arista]

[Livia]

Serious question... Am I the only one who thinks war in Europe is beoming increasingly inevitable?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Serious question... Am I the only one who thinks war in Europe is beoming increasingly inevitable?

We are at war already, they just try to pretend that we are not. It may slow down a bit with trump or it may speed up, who knows

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

We are at war already, they just try to pretend that we are not. It may slow down a bit with trump or it may speed up, who knows

Interesting... I really mean a boots on the ground, all Europe involved kind of war. I worry Putin will escalate and push on.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Interesting... I really mean a boots on the ground, all Europe involved kind of war. I worry Putin will escalate and push on.

He doesn't have the resources or supply lines to meaningfully push into Western Europe, it's taken them years (and massive losses) to gain and hold ground in Ukraine which is right on their doorstep.

Realistically if he goes to war in any meaningful sense with anywhere further west it's not boots on the ground, it's missiles in the air, and then it's all academic as that's not a war, it's game over.

Realistically I think Russia will end up keeping Crimea. Then they'll take time to regroup, years or longer, as has been the pattern for many decades at this point. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

My most optimistic hope for the planet is that the can is repeatedly kicked down the road.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Serious question... Am I the only one who thinks war in Europe is beoming increasingly inevitable?

No, I think
Because of Nato
it stays as Russia Attaking Ukraine
now with the help of North Korean troops.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

No, I think
Because of Nato
it stays as Russia Attaking Ukraine
now with the help of North Korean troops.

Even without NATO the threat to other surrounding W.European nations of him pushing west makes it an unrealistic prospect, at worst they'd take all of Ukraine and then start eyeballing other former Soviet states to "reclaim", long before even considering further west. But in terms of timescales there you're talking decades.

Plus it's not just like he "gets Ukraine" and that's that, a nice new chunk of land, even with a full annexation you're talking a very extended period of massive civil unrest and (what would be seen technically as) domestic terrorism... Russia would need to maintain a heavy military presence IN Ukraine just to keep Ukraine, it's not just a "capture and move on to the next target".

I think the N.Korea stuff is concerning for other reasons. Namely... you have to put a big ? over what N.Korea gets in return for providing cannon fodder.

Russia is currently providing them with various basic resources (like food & oil) in trade for equipment and ammo. Now seemingly some numbers. My concern is that as the relationship deepens, the more likely it becomes that Russia will start assisting them with their nuclear programme - if not in terms of resources, at least in terms of knowledge & expertise.

That's not openly happening right now but it's early days.

[Sticks]

Which is why Ukraine should be ordered to accept it is part of Mother Russia and is not an independent country and to hand Zelensky over to Moscow to be tried for High Treason.

[bots]

The only problem i see is that Putin wants to make his mark regarding the russian empire and Crimea won't cut it and he isn't getting any younger. I think there are large areas of ukraine that want to be Russian too, it's really not simple

[arista]

[what N.Korea gets in return for providing cannon fodder.]


Yes Mega deals for the tubby leader of N. Korea
for his Troops from North Korea to Die in Ukraine.

A few may stay alive
to enjoy watching porn on their phone

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

[what N.Korea gets in return for providing cannon fodder.]


Yes Mega deals for the tubby leader of N. Korea
for his Troops from North Korea to Die in Ukraine.

A few may stay alive

I mean it's difficult to call it mega deals - a lot of it is basic food & fuel supplies because the population is starving. And in terms of the troops... from what I know of NK foreign policy and the reason they tend NOT to send troops abroad, is that they essentially don't want soldiers "seeing the world" and then coming back with tales of other countries having easy access to "luxuries" (i.e. some things we'd consider quite basic like a can of coke or chocolate bar). NK's existence hinges on propaganda and misinformation. They don't want their civilians becoming worldly. Or in short - I think the troops he's sending are effectively "ammo", he likely doesn't expect them back (or want them back).

[arista]

Yes they need the Russian Food imports
into North Korea.
To stay Alive.

[I mean it's difficult to call it mega deals - a lot of it
is basic food & fuel supplies because the
population is starving.]


I call them Mega deals
as they save lives in North Korea

[Gusto Brunt]

Biden's nearly 90. He's not bothered about WW3. He only wanted to put Trump in the sh**.

Not just Trump. The world. What a horrible evil man Biden is.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Biden's nearly 90. He's not bothered about WW3. He only wanted to put Trump in the sh**.

Not just Trump. The world. What a horrible evil man Biden is.

No he is not near 90


He is 81

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

No he is not near 90


He is 81

Arista triggered

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by arista

No he is not near 90


He is 81

Well he's closer to 90 than I am.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Well he's closer to 90 than I am.

He's closer to 90 than Arista is too.

...but in the other direction.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

He's closer to 90 than Arista is too.

...but in the other direction.

I didn't know that. Thanks.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Well he's closer to 90 than I am.

I get the feeling he may not make it that far,
to be honest.

[Cherry Christmas]

Biden is a disgrace, he should not be making decisions like that during a period of transition

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by arista

I get the feeling he may not make it that far,
to be honest.

His body might do but sadly his brain mightn't...

[arista]