[WOMBAI]

As for the comments that Marcus is not obsessed with what the public think - what utter rubbish.

Everyone who has watched Big Brother before knows that the public like a housemate that stands up to Big Brother and is seen to be standing up for other housemates - that always goes down well with the public. He knew exactly what to do to make himself popular outside.

But in the end - his ego got the better of him - and when Noirin expressed her true feeling towards him - he started to loose the plot.

[Len_Brennan]

Originally posted by Hedgie

Or he liked her, genuinely believed what he was saying to her, and just wanted to protect her from the players. Poor sod is slowly realising she's the biggest player in there now

... and, what did he say to her about the other housemates that was not the truth? The main thing he did was point out Lisa's actions & influence, which we have all seen to be the case. I don't remember him trying to slag off Sophie or Rodrigo for example.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Len_Brennan

... and, what did he say to her about the other housemates that was not the truth? The main thing he did was point out Lisa's actions & influence, which we have all seen to be the case. I don't remember him trying to slag off Sophie or Rodrigo for example.

Rodrigo posed no threat. I do remember Sophie saying that Marcus did not like Noirin spending time with her - he was obviously worried that Sophie might make Noirin realise what he was doing.

[Len_Brennan]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
As for the comments that Marcus is not obsessed with what the public think - what utter rubbish.

Everyone who has watched Big Brother before knows that the public like a housemate that stands up to Big Brother and is seen to be standing up for other housemates - that always goes down well with the public. He knew exactly what to do to make himself popular outside.

But in the end - his ego got the better of him - and when Noirin expressed her true feeling towards him - he started to loose the plot.

Oh come on, he stood up to Big Brother because they were unjustifiably insinuating that he was making racially insensitive comments. If that was being levelled against me on national tv, I'm damn sure I'd stand up to BB too. He also felt he was being unfairly treated to Sree in the aftremath of their (Sree created) arguement. Did his reaction really look to you like the actions of a man who had calculated what he was going to do beforehand? He relationship with BB since all stems from the incident.

[Len_Brennan]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

Rodrigo posed no threat. I do remember Sophie saying that Marcus did not like Noirin spending time with her - he was obviously worried that Sophie might make Noirin realise what he was doing.

I just threw does two in by way of obvious example, they weren't meant as an exhaustive list. Can you give me the examples of where he tried to put her wise against any of the other housemates bar Lisa & Karly?
Your Sophie related example is pretty sketchy to be fair.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Len_Brennan

Oh come on, he stood up to Big Brother because they were unjustifiably insinuating that he was making racially insensitive comments. If that was being levelled against me on national tv, I'm damn sure I'd stand up to BB too. He also felt he was being unfairly treated to Sree in the aftremath of
their (Sree created) arguement. Did his reaction really look to you like the actions of a man who had calculated what he was going to do beforehand? He relationship with BB since all stems from the incident.

I agree that he was right to stand up to BB's obvious double standards as far as the Sree incident was concerned - but he saw an opportunity - and milked it. Since then he has seized several opportunities to gain popularity with the public by stunts such as the climbing over the walls.

Personally - not impressed!

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by Cybele
I apologize in advance to all of the Noirin lovers, but I think she is just a big lying piece of sh*te!

1. She tells Marcus that he is her best friend etc etc yet tells the others that she was only friends with him because there was no one else and that she didn't really like him.

2. She tells several people in the house that she doesn't want to be with Siavash because she fancies Tom, but only tells Siavash that she doesn't want to be with him in the house... and making a comment about having their entire lives to pursue something.

3. She comes clean to Marcus... sort of... about Siavash but doesn't mention the situation with Tom.

4. She obviously takes great enjoyment of toying with the emotions of the men in the house. She says she doesn't, but the big grin on her face says otherwise. The absolutely turns my stomach.

I still hate Lisa more, but the gap between them is getting smaller and smaller.

You called it right.
I would even add to that list:
5. She tells Marcus that she was kissing Siavash while he was in jail. She makes a point to tell him (and I recall more than once) that this 'romance' had been going on for 2 or 3 weeks. She goes back to this idea of 'she was surprised and it just happened',
but,
she made sure Marcus knew that for weeks (incl when he supposed they were getting serious) but for weeks she was thinking of Siavash.

BTW.. as usual she cannot quite hide that smile on her face when she does this. You can see her face muscles pulling hard to that self-satisfying feeling she gets off it.

It is amazing to me that anyone is left trying to defend this girls behavior.
I am still banned from DS for calling her a prostitute but, as they say.. if the shoe fits.
She is something much worse though - at least a prostitute makes no pretenses and gives some sex action.

Ugh.. that woman is just disgusting.

[HELLIWONTGO]

she's a player, but now she has run out of people to use, although I guess she can go back to Siavash and then mabe Freddie or start on Lisa!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Len_Brennan

I just threw does two in by way of obvious example, they weren't meant as an exhaustive list. Can you give me the examples of where he tried to put her wise against any of the other housemates bar Lisa & Karly?
Your Sophie related example is pretty sketchy to be fair.

can't remember specific conversations (I do have a life) but know that generally he did try to isolate her from the group by attempting to convince her that he was the only one she could trust.

[Len_Brennan]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

can't remember specific conversations (I do have a life) but know that generally he did try to isolate her from the group by attempting to convince her that he was the only one she could trust.

"I do have a life"!!! - You can't use that as an excuse on a Big Brother messageboard, for crying out loud, none of us can! Anyway, you've made 30 more posts than me on here already. You need to re-evaluated that life of yours I think!!!!

[kistar]

im really getting this now she really did play marcus and i agree about him not going on and on about what the public think

[beasmith]

lol sorry thats the funniest things ive seen marcus a poor sod?are we watching the same show? his totally controlling i dont like noirin either!but im glad she got a few words of revenge in if you think about it tho they are quite well suited lol

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by Cybele
I apologize in advance to all of the Noirin lovers, but I think she is just a big lying piece of sh*te!

1. She tells Marcus that he is her best friend etc etc yet tells the others that she was only friends with him because there was no one else and that she didn't really like him.

2. She tells several people in the house that she doesn't want to be with Siavash because she fancies Tom, but only tells Siavash that she doesn't want to be with him in the house... and making a comment about having their entire lives to pursue something.

3. She comes clean to Marcus... sort of... about Siavash but doesn't mention the situation with Tom.

4. She obviously takes great enjoyment of toying with the emotions of the men in the house. She says she doesn't, but the big grin on her face says otherwise. The absolutely turns my stomach.

I still hate Lisa more, but the gap between them is getting smaller and smaller.

I agree totally with all 4 points you make, and yet Noirins popularity has gone up on this forum while Freddie and Siavash have gone down.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
can't remember specific conversations (I do have a life) but know that generally he did try to isolate her from the group by attempting to convince her that he was the only one she could trust.

I'm pretty sure that was just him being egotistical rather than manipulative. He just likes to big himself up to others. He's said it to a few housemates, not just to Noirin.

*for the record, i don't have a life.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by Twiggy

I agree totally with all 4 points you make, and yet Noirins popularity has gone up on this forum while Freddie and Siavash have gone down.

I don't pay too much attention to the trends on this forum. We all know that some people like to sh*t stir and will do whatever they think will cause the most upset. Also, we know those people like to make several accounts.

I'm not saying that people can't or shouldn't still like Noirin. I'm just saying that some people on this forum don't always say what they really think. They just say what they think will cause a fuss. There are some people here who usually talk sense (even though it isn't always an opinion I share). I pay more attention to them than the forum overall.

lol I just took a long time to say something simple.