[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by Jayson
She is black, anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

I have two black parents and am black, she has one black parent and is black. Simple.

On-topic, I don't think she should be so proud about being the first black woman on the cover of Nuts. I'd rather be the first black person to have no head.

This man speaks the truth.

[scot]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather

rubbish

Not rubbish, Noirin sees herslef as black, she's claimed black identity numerous times.

No person can refuse another their personal sense of identity.

Tell me, why do you want to deny Noirin her identity, why do you want to project your own conceptions of what 'race' she is on to her. Why not accept her as she wants to be seen?

Why does it bother you?

[Stephanie]

how is she black?
i don't get it lol.

[Jayson]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE

This man speaks the truth.

[Jayson]

Originally posted by stefani
how is she black?
i don't get it lol.

Oh, steffie steffie steffie stoo

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE

And who the **** are you to tell her what she is and what she isn't?

I am someone with 20/20 vision and the ability to comprehend the difference between someone who is Sub-Saharan African 'Black' and someone who is a 'Caucasian' with a caramel skin tone and because a Grandparent was Kenyan.

Also mentioned - why isn't she credited with being a white woman? Think about that.
If you can call her a 'Black woman' then I have entirely the same justification for calling her a White woman,

Why isn't she the 'First Irish Woman to appear on...,
and,
We are now categorizing people by race and documenting them as 'representatives'.
First chinese woman to appear on the cover of heat!
First pakistani man to appear on cover of Sports Weekly!
First white woman (half chinese) to appear on cover of 'Shaved Asians Weekly!'
So dumb!

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by scot



Tell me, why do you want to deny Noirin her identity, why do you want to project your own conceptions of what 'race' she is on to her. Why not accept her as she wants to be seen?

Why does it bother you?

what do you make of the bloke that thought he was a bear, and then got eaten by one then

Noirin is entitled to her identity though. We all are.

[Stephanie]

Originally posted by Jayson

Oh, steffie steffie steffie stoo

just asking a question.

[Daffodil]

She has done her roots and her family (father is a priest) proud ..... NOT!!

[loomy]

I think Halle Berry sums this up best

"Blackness is a state of mind and I identify with the black community. Mainly, because I realized, early on, when I walk into a room, people see a black woman, they don't see a white women. So out of that reason alone, I identify more with the black community."

[scot]

Originally posted by ElProximo

I am someone with 20/20 vision and the ability to comprehend the difference between someone who is Sub-Saharan African 'Black' and someone who is a 'Caucasian' with a caramel skin tone and because a Grandparent was Kenyan.

Also mentioned - why isn't she credited with being a white woman? Think about that.
If you can call her a 'Black woman' then I have entirely the same justification for calling her a White woman,

!

you just dont get it eh?....its not about what YOU wanna 'call' her. Its about her own sense of identity. She CHOOSES to associate with her black identity.

and your first paragraph above is just one big slaver

[IsleOfWeather]

she is mixed race


but more than all that race crap, she is Irish ffs

[scot]

Originally posted by Hedgie

what do you make of the bloke that thought he was a bear, and then got eaten by one then

Noirin is entitled to her identity though. We all are.

the boy that though he was a bear and got eaten by was feckn looped.

But it's hardly the same is it. There's no comparrison.

[rapunzal77]

Originally posted by Daffodil
She has done her roots and her family (father is a priest) proud ..... NOT!!

He is not a priest................priests cannot have kids, very holy man i think and worked with the missionries but not a full priest

[BigBummer]

Originally posted by loomy
I think Halle Berry sums this up best

"Blackness is a state of mind and I identify with the black community. Mainly, because I realized, early on, when I walk into a room, people see a black woman, they don't see a white women. So out of that reason alone, I identify more with the black community."

Not only does black role models saying things like this serve to increase racism and segregation but...

Announcing her as the first black woman in Nuts does not help racism, just like going ape over Obama being the prez... it's 2009 and we still rave about this stuff... Why?

Well firstly because a lot of the UK population are racist. Secondly, because the media are needing headlines... this is how they make their money.

Yes, most of those who read nuts are racist, whether they know it or not, society breeds this behaviour... but please don't slag off nuts whilst you gain most of your news from tabloids.. this is just so stupid it is crazy.

In real life it doesn't effect anything at all.

[goongoondown]

Originally posted by scot

Not rubbish, Noirin sees herslef as black, she's claimed black identity numerous times.

No person can refuse another their personal sense of identity.

Tell me, why do you want to deny Noirin her identity, why do you want to project your own conceptions of what 'race' she is on to her. Why not accept her as she wants to be seen?

Why does it bother you?

I am black and the mixed raced freinds i have all say they are black like noirin. Noirin is mixed raced ie has black and white parents, that is something that cannot be genetically debated. The more pertinent question and one that is at the root of the debate we have is why she, and most mixed raced people deny their white identity and consider themselves to be black? The answer to this is the historical conception of the racist ideology that says if you have 1% non white blood (genes) makes you non white and thus cast from that group. The racist abuse suffered by mixed raced people and their clear rejection by the white community (that they have a claim to) has led to a situation where most (not all) mixed raced people identify themselves as black. Slighty over simplified but it is an explanation that is pertinent to black identity.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by goongoondown

I am black and the mixed raced freinds i have all say they are black like noirin. Noirin is mixed raced ie has black and white parents, that is something that cannot be genetically debated. The more pertinent question and one that is at the root of the debate we have is why she, and most mixed raced people deny their white identity and consider themselves to be black? The answer to this is the historical conception of the racist ideology that says if you have 1% non white blood (genes) makes you non white and thus cast from that group. The racist abuse suffered by mixed raced people and their clear rejection by the white community (that they have a claim to) has led to a situation where most (not all) mixed raced people identify themselves as black. Slighty over simplified but it is an explanation that is pertinent to black identity.

I'm of mixed backgrounds and no one sees me as being white.

[loomy]

Originally posted by BigBummer

Not only does black role models saying things like this serve to increase racism and segregation but...

Announcing her as the first black woman in Nuts does not help racism, just like going ape over Obama being the prez... it's 2009 and we still rave about this stuff... Why?

Well firstly because a lot of the UK population are racist. Secondly, because the media are needing headlines... this is how they make their money.

Yes, most of those who read nuts are racist, whether they know it or not, society breeds this behaviour... but please don't slag off nuts whilst you gain most of your news from tabloids.. this is just so stupid it is crazy.

In real life it doesn't effect anything at all.

Firstly you say a lot of the UK population are racist then you say it doesn't affect anything in real life? I agree the emphasis on Obama's race was way way over the top but it is still an important point and whether you mention it a lot or not it's still going to be a major factor when people were deciding to vote for him. Obama being elected as a black president was a sign of how far the united states as a society has moved on. Just over 50 years ago a black woman faced prosectution for daring not to give her seat up for a white man. 50 years; that's nothing. And now a black man is president of the united states. Race has played a huge part in American history and to a lesser extent over here.

Being black and growing up in a mostly white neighbourhood isn't that easy. Noirin being on the cover might not be much but it might be the beginning of a change in attitudes.

[ElProximo]

Halle Barry is a good example of a sneaky idiot who will play race cards and yet sell-out another.
Halle Barry's black father abandoned her and her mother. Her white mother raised Halle Barry by herself, invested in her daughters career with massive money and time and effort and sacrifice and then risked it all for her daughters big shot at Hollywood.
Barry then shows up at an award and as the Americans say 'threw her Mum under the bus' and sucked up some stupid 'historic first' race-card stupidity.
Halle Barrys father was what.. proud of abandoning her and her mum?

Reminds me a lot of another American 'historic first' whos only 'black' anything was that his father - who abandoned him and his mother - happened to be Arab-Kenyan.
Later Obama who was raised by white people (who didn't abandon him) is happy to pretend to be African-American.
Like Barry he justifies it by saying that some people 'in a room' once misidentified them and so they can now misidentify themselves all they want.

Anyways.
I had actually suppose Noirin was just finding a way to 'sell out' black people by admitting she has shamefully posed for the cover of Nuts.
I'm sure real Black people are so proud to find out 'they' just did something so tasteless and whorish.
Black people everywhere trying to find out if there is a way to disown her or at least get her fined for that racial hate-crime.

Its late and Im on a lot of pills.
Kisses.

[Jayson]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Halle Barry is a good example of a sneaky idiot who will play race cards and yet sell-out another.
Halle Barry's black father abandoned her and her mother. Her white mother raised Halle Barry by herself, invested in her daughters career with massive money and time and effort and sacrifice and then risked it all for her daughters big shot at Hollywood.
Barry then shows up at an award and as the Americans say 'threw her Mum under the bus' and sucked up some stupid 'historic first' race-card stupidity.
Halle Barrys father was what.. proud of abandoning her and her mum?

Reminds me a lot of another American 'historic first' whos only 'black' anything was that his father - who abandoned him and his mother - happened to be Arab-Kenyan.
Later Obama who was raised by white people (who didn't abandon him) is happy to pretend to be African-American.
Like Barry he justifies it by saying that some people 'in a room' once misidentified them and so they can now misidentify themselves all they want.

Anyways.
I had actually suppose Noirin was just finding a way to 'sell out' black people by admitting she has shamefully posed for the cover of Nuts.
I'm sure real Black people are so proud to find out 'they' just did something so tasteless and whorish.
Black people everywhere trying to find out if there is a way to disown her or at least get her fined for that racial hate-crime.

Its late and Im on a lot of pills.
Kisses.

You are one of the most boring and ignorant members on TiBB, it is her decision to associate herself with her black heritage, you should respect that, not shove your stupid and incorrect views down our throats.

[scot]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Halle Barry is a good example of a sneaky idiot who will play race cards and yet sell-out another.
Halle Barry's black father abandoned her and her mother. Her white mother raised Halle Barry by herself, invested in her daughters career with massive money and time and effort and sacrifice and then risked it all for her daughters big shot at Hollywood.
Barry then shows up at an award and as the Americans say 'threw her Mum under the bus' and sucked up some stupid 'historic first' race-card stupidity.
Halle Barrys father was what.. proud of abandoning her and her mum?

Reminds me a lot of another American 'historic first' whos only 'black' anything was that his father - who abandoned him and his mother - happened to be Arab-Kenyan.
Later Obama who was raised by white people (who didn't abandon him) is happy to pretend to be African-American.
Like Barry he justifies it by saying that some people 'in a room' once misidentified them and so they can now misidentify themselves all they want.

Anyways.
I had actually suppose Noirin was just finding a way to 'sell out' black people by admitting she has shamefully posed for the cover of Nuts.
I'm sure real Black people are so proud to find out 'they' just did something so tasteless and whorish.
Black people everywhere trying to find out if there is a way to disown her or at least get her fined for that racial hate-crime.

Its late and Im on a lot of pills.
Kisses.

just what is your major malfunction re black folk, you seem to have very strong pejorative opinions re them.

[BigBummer]

Originally posted by loomy

Firstly you say a lot of the UK population are racist then you say it doesn't affect anything in real life? I agree the emphasis on Obama's race was way way over the top but it is still an important point and whether you mention it a lot or not it's still going to be a major factor when people were deciding to vote for him. Obama being elected as a black president was a sign of how far the united states as a society has moved on. Just over 50 years ago a black woman faced prosectution for daring not to give her seat up for a white man. 50 years; that's nothing. And now a black man is president of the united states. Race has played a huge part in American history and to a lesser extent over here.

Being black and growing up in a mostly white neighbourhood isn't that easy. Noirin being on the cover might not be much but it might be the beginning of a change in attitudes.

Sorry, sorry, sorry... yeah, I kind of meant that the Noirin stuff doesn't matter, just that. The other stuff kind of rules our lives.

I wasn't very cohesive just sticking that sentence on the end there. Sorry.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Halle Barry is a good example of a sneaky idiot who will play race cards and yet sell-out another.
Halle Barry's black father abandoned her and her mother. Her white mother raised Halle Barry by herself, invested in her daughters career with massive money and time and effort and sacrifice and then risked it all for her daughters big shot at Hollywood.
Barry then shows up at an award and as the Americans say 'threw her Mum under the bus' and sucked up some stupid 'historic first' race-card stupidity.
Halle Barrys father was what.. proud of abandoning her and her mum?

Reminds me a lot of another American 'historic first' whos only 'black' anything was that his father - who abandoned him and his mother - happened to be Arab-Kenyan.
Later Obama who was raised by white people (who didn't abandon him) is happy to pretend to be African-American.
Like Barry he justifies it by saying that some people 'in a room' once misidentified them and so they can now misidentify themselves all they want.

Anyways.
I had actually suppose Noirin was just finding a way to 'sell out' black people by admitting she has shamefully posed for the cover of Nuts.
I'm sure real Black people are so proud to find out 'they' just did something so tasteless and whorish.
Black people everywhere trying to find out if there is a way to disown her or at least get her fined for that racial hate-crime.

Its late and Im on a lot of pills.
Kisses.

LMFAO at this bullshit.




I have a question for you.


When you see Halle Berry, what do you see a black or white woman?

Most white people would look at her weird, if she claimed to be white.

Just because her dad abandoned her, that does not take away from her black heritage.

[Jayson]

ElProximo will reply with an 86 line post based on bullshit.

I can't be asked to read his/her posts anymore. Bu-bye.

[Niamh.]

I am someone with 20/20 vision and the ability to comprehend the difference between someone who is Sub-Saharan African 'Black' and someone who is a 'Caucasian' with a caramel skin tone and because her grandparent was from Kenya Also mentioned - why isn't she credited with being a white woman? Think about that.
If you can call her a 'Black woman' then I have entirely the same justification for calling her a White woman,

Why isn't she the 'First Irish Woman to appear on...,
and,
We are now categorizing people by race and documenting them as 'representatives'.
First chinese woman to appear on the cover of heat!
First pakistani man to appear on cover of Sports Weekly!
First white woman (half chinese) to appear on cover of 'Shaved Asians Weekly!'
So dumb! [/quote]

Her mother is Kenyan not her grandparent. As a white person, I would guess that she sees herself more as black because if she walked into a room it would be obvious straight away that she has atleast one black parent (if not 2) However you could not be 100% sure if any of her parents were white, therefore people probably have considered her black all her life