[Mindyfint]

He is the most fakest hm and his attitude towards others is disgraceful.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

Since so many people are 'missing' you're points. Why not explain better? For the record I never said you were WRONG?! I was defending my favourite HM. You said everyone has different opinions and I was voicing mine. I could declare you were saying mine was 'wrong' for disagreeing with it. But I'm not one for twisting things.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

I guess you are using the term "think" very loosely! What thinking person could subscribe to the groundless bile that is vomitted by HATERS about Charlie for the 'look' on his face, the 'fakeness' of every word he utters, the 'going on about his mother'.

brother,seriosly do one,what her or vicky have said is not groundless bile,that would be coming on here and saying something along the lines of "that geordie numpty should ****" or "****ing prick hope he dies" ... but nothing of the sort has been said,infact its been a fairly candid discussion.. obviosly some will hate,but hate is around for every housemate on this forum,however thats not what she was doing.. so lay off next time you wish to antagonise..

[BGT-FAN!]

Get him out!
he only wants fame and money out of all this

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ


Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

vicky, you have gone on about how pathetic you find other fm for jumping on anti-marcus threads a hell of a lot (not on this thread but on many others in the past few weeks), yet you have no problem with anti-charlie ones.

the OP asked a few simple questions and it was you that brought up marcus threads, comparing the two. the OP wasn't comparing charlie to other hm and wasn't moaning about the hate threads either (which you suggested in your first post)

i'm not 'missing any point'. i'm commenting on what you've said

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by BGT-FAN!
Get him out!
he only wants fame and money out of all this

So do all of them! FAILED POST!

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by tintedshadow

i think this positive cheery chappy routine would've worked well had he not shown this downright nasty streak over the past few weeks..

some see a "bridge builder" and a "positive housemate" i see a guy,who is quick to prey on the weak,stay on the side of whoever is running things at that precise moment and generally bitch about every one of his friends..

for a positive guy to laugh when bea was calling freddie a t*** and what not a few weeks ago yet then have a go at freddie he cant be all that positive..

during the first few weeks when lisa was having a spat with marcus,she had ripped chunks out of freddie while kris was in the background telling freddie to "****",mean while charlie jumped in to rip freddie a new one.. not much a bridge builder by any means..

also last night,he took personal attacks at siavash,how did siavash attack charlie? siavash had a conversation with sophie,he then felt bad for not telling rodrigo so he did,only for rodrigo to blurt to charlie and every other housemate,which then led to last nights fiasco,however siavash never attacked charlie.. infact it was charlie who stooped lower then even bea last night with some of the remarks he had made..

also perhaps im nit picking,but tonight when david and lisa were talking about there outing,charlie was looking to grab centre stage with the "oooh but i threw a ball at marcus" instead of just allowing someone else to have the lime light for a change,his face when no one listened was a picture..

in short,i dont hate charlie,i simply find his actions distasteful after his treatment of freddie/siavash.. he's had words to say about almost everyone of his friends while all the time being sweet as pie to their faces.. not that he's the only one to do so,but this isnt a topic about bea or karly so ill leave them out of it..

If you read my previous post and revisit the episode, you will see quite clearly that charlie's reference to Siavash's faithlessness was in direct response to Siavash calling him a backstabber for nominating Bea! ( which he didn't do!!!!!!) Yes, Charlie's response was cutting, but true AND provoked! I trust you can see the difference between Charlie and Siavash in thi regard? One uses a falsehood to attack, the other uses a truth to defend.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

I guess you are using the term "think" very loosely! What thinking person could subscribe to the groundless bile that is vomitted by HATERS about Charlie for the 'look' on his face, the 'fakeness' of every word he utters, the 'going on about his mother'.

Siavash attacks him for backstabbing Bea by nominating her (which he didn't) and yet Siavash's fans accuse him of being a bitch when he responds by reminding the faithless Siavash that he has no moral highground to stand upon, having even denied the existence of his girlfriend, never mind having cheated on her which, surprise, surprise, he did.
I note it was Charlie that left the argument before it escalated even further and before in the heat of the moment he said someting he might regret. It is he who is now being magnanimous about the argument.

Oh Long_Run where do I start. Firstly thankyou for the lengthy post. I must agree with people more often!
My dislike for Charlie does not stem from an attack by or to Siavash. There are many reasons. It started after his 'no friends' argument with Rodrigo..I saw a bit of a mean side to him.
He's been quite rude to David, most recently saying "you've only been in the house 5 minutes" as David was expressing his excitement at being out.
Yes his expressions today also annoyed me. It may be just a 'look' but we both know a 'look' speaks volumes.
I'm not going to write all my reasons as I can't be bothered but those few I've listed are some of what make me dislike him. I am like others entitled to my opinion am I not.

Charlie may be genuine. I'll just have to wait and see if he does indeed go and live with a family in a 3rd world country for 6 months.

[Becker]

Charlie is such a wonderful housemate he comes in at least favourite housemate with a whopping 28.9% a clear 10 points clear of Lisa 2nd least favourite housemate.

Maybe that is why he is getting such a pounding here .. and elsewhere.
His mask slips all too readily and shows his true feelings. Not to mention the fact he was a party to a fair bit of bullying that has gone on in there.

Sly, manipulative ... etc etc but the bottom line is ...

He HAS been a bad lad in there which is reflected in a lot of the polls floating around. Is it any wonder he has come in for criticism? Take it on the chin he just isn't as popular as you would like him to be. end of story ... As has been said don't take it so personally ... you did ask after all.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy

vicky, you have gone on about how pathetic you find other fm for jumping on anti-marcus threads a hell of a lot (not on this thread but on many others in the past few weeks), yet you have no problem with anti-charlie ones.

the OP asked a few simple questions and it was you that brought up marcus threads, comparing the two. the OP wasn't comparing charlie to other hm and wasn't moaning about the hate threads either (which you suggested in your first post)

i'm not 'missing any point'. i'm commenting on what you've said

No however, they did suggest that marcus 'deserves' hate thread, whilst charlie does not.

I dont even remember saying anything about people jumping on anti-marcus threads...at all.


I do have a slight problem with people just saying things like 'he is vile' and not backing it up, as thats not really explaining much is it?

The OP is asking people for opinions on why they like/dislike charlie...and then just totally disregarding any reason for not liking charlie. I used anti marcus threads as an example because these are what I have seen more of...and the response, to my whole post, including where I explained why I dont like charlie was....

"That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'. "

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Now, at what point in my original post did I say I disliked him plainly because he bithced? And if I did, what is wrong with that? They all bitch, but I may not like the way he goes about it. Its called an opinion.

I then said...

"'See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it. '"

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In respose to what they said, which I think is correct. They have problems with people being anti charlie, because they like him, which is reasonable, but they cannot expect everyone to have the same opinion as them.


They then replied...

"If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!"

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I never once said anything about them complaining about marcus, simply stated that marcus had far more negative posts than charlie. Yet the OP has no problem with it.

Seems the whole point of this thread was just to totally disregard everyones opinion if it was negative, and just agree with the positive. In which case, why not make a thread called 'Calling all Charlie Fans' and discuss nicely there why people like him, instead of including the word 'haters'?

So yes, the OP asked a simple question...maybe I should not have brought up a comparison, if it was going to cause this reaction...jesus. I made a balanced post, that a lot of people agreed with, yet one little comment on the end has this whole thread going hysterical

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ

No however, they did suggest that marcus 'deserves' hate thread, whilst charlie does not.

I dont even remember saying anything about people jumping on anti-marcus threads...at all.


I do have a slight problem with people just saying things like 'he is vile' and not backing it up, as thats not really explaining much is it?

The OP is asking people for opinions on why they like/dislike charlie...and then just totally disregarding any reason for not liking charlie. I used anti marcus threads as an example because these are what I have seen more of...and the response, to my whole post, including where I explained why I dont like charlie was....

"That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'. "

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Now, at what point in my original post did I say I disliked him plainly because he bithced? And if I did, what is wrong with that? They all bitch, but I may not like the way he goes about it. Its called an opinion.

I then said...

"'See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it. '"

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In respose to what they said, which I think is correct. They have problems with people being anti charlie, because they like him, which is reasonable, but they cannot expect everyone to have the same opinion as them.


They then replied...

"If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!"

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I never once said anything about them complaining about marcus, simply stated that marcus had far more negative posts than charlie. Yet the OP has no problem with it.

Seems the whole point of this thread was just to totally disregard everyones opinion if it was negative, and just agree with the positive. In which case, why not make a thread called 'Calling all Charlie Fans' and discuss nicely there why people like him, instead of including the word 'haters'?

So yes, the OP asked a simple question...maybe I should not have brought up a comparison, if it was going to cause this reaction...jesus. I made a balanced post, that a lot of people agreed with, yet one little comment on the end has this whole thread going hysterical

Whats with the lies. I have no issue with you hating Charlie it's fine with me. I simply defended my favourite. Check the posts you mentioned Marcus in a way which indicated you believed he didn't deserve hate threads. Marcus is rude and perverted. You then went on to declare that I said your opinion was WRONG?! Words which I never typed. Please stop spreading lies on this thread.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

If you read my previous post and revisit the episode, you will see quite clearly that charlie's reference to Siavash's faithlessness was in direct response to Siavash calling him a backstabber for nominating Bea! ( which he didn't do!!!!!!) Yes, Charlie's response was cutting, but true AND provoked! I trust you can see the difference between Charlie and Siavash in thi regard? One uses a falsehood to attack, the other uses a truth to defend.

perhaps ive had too many late nights or something because it almost seemed like you said charlie was defending himself?

brother,charlie started out irate after finding out siavash had not nominated,and thus began his tirade of abuse,the comment your talking about siavash had said way later in the arguement,before this charlie had berated siavash in ways that needed not happen,they were uncalled for..

so in response when siavash walked up to him after having cheap shots directed at him,he then said well your the one who was meant to be bea's friend and had negative things to say about her once she had left..WHICH IS TRUE..

the only thing that is untrue is that charlie was defending himself,to defend oneself is to not be the one taking things to a personal level from the get go..

charlie took offence to siavash not nominating,had a go at him,siavash's rebuttle was then about his two faced callous nature,to which charlie took his amatuer dramatics to new lows.. that is all...


EDIT- hold up i just re-read your post,siavash didnt say charlie nommed bea,he said you were nice to her face then when she left you were saying negative things about her.. which is pretty much true...

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ

No however, they did suggest that marcus 'deserves' hate thread, whilst charlie does not.

I dont even remember saying anything about people jumping on anti-marcus threads...at all.


I do have a slight problem with people just saying things like 'he is vile' and not backing it up, as thats not really explaining much is it?

The OP is asking people for opinions on why they like/dislike charlie...and then just totally disregarding any reason for not liking charlie. I used anti marcus threads as an example because these are what I have seen more of...and the response, to my whole post, including where I explained why I dont like charlie was....

"That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'. "

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Now, at what point in my original post did I say I disliked him plainly because he bithced? And if I did, what is wrong with that? They all bitch, but I may not like the way he goes about it. Its called an opinion.

I then said...

"'See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it. '"

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In respose to what they said, which I think is correct. They have problems with people being anti charlie, because they like him, which is reasonable, but they cannot expect everyone to have the same opinion as them.


They then replied...

"If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!"

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I never once said anything about them complaining about marcus, simply stated that marcus had far more negative posts than charlie. Yet the OP has no problem with it.

Seems the whole point of this thread was just to totally disregard everyones opinion if it was negative, and just agree with the positive. In which case, why not make a thread called 'Calling all Charlie Fans' and discuss nicely there why people like him, instead of including the word 'haters'?

So yes, the OP asked a simple question...maybe I should not have brought up a comparison, if it was going to cause this reaction...jesus.

sorry vicky, but you didn't JUST say marcus had more hate threads. you said Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

the rest of your post was great. it gave valid reasons etc

the last part just wasn't needed at all. firstly, he wasn't moaning at the hate threads. he was asking why people loved/hated charlie. the topic title is apt.

secondly, the OP hadn't commented on any negative posts until you brought up marcus' threads, so of course he'll comment on that.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46

Whats with the lies. I have no issue with you hating Charlie it's fine with me. I simply defended my favourite. Check the posts you mentioned Marcus in a way which indicated you believed he didn't't deserve hate threads. Marcus is rude and perverted. You then went on to declare that I said your opinion was WRONG?! Words which I never typed. Please stop spreading lies on this thread.

I'm spreading no lies.

I mentioned Marcus as a comparison for hate thread. I think its a fair comparison as he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.

OK, you are defending your favourite...by totally disregarding most of my post and only referring to a bit where I said he was bitchy...speaks volumes if you don't even have any defense for his actions.

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He is a hypocrite.

He went off on one with Marcus for saying stuff to Bea, and Freddie laughing. His reasoning was that he disliked anyone ganging up on people and them two were ganging up on Bea, he said he would do the same for anyone who was being ganged up on.

Yet he had no problem whatsoever when nearly the whole house ganged up on Freddie...he even had the audacity to sit next to Freddie whilst Lisa Karly and Kris were picking at him and say not a word, straight after he had been sitting telling Freddie that he had seen no ganging up. He then proceeds to attack Siavash, with Rodrigo and David...now...if his real reason for kicking off about them ganging up on Bea was indeed that he didn'tt like people being ganged up on...why take part in this kind of thing himself? Why not tell them this? That he was arguing so they should wait? No, he sat back and smiled smugly whilst the other two went on, no doubt planning what he could say to fill the gaps.

Also, he encouraged Marcus Freddie and Siavash to break out of jail...yet when they receive their punishment, which was the food being took away, he twists about it and says they shouldn't have done it. Bearing in mind he also told them after the breakout that they should not go to the diary room when asked.

Also, he kicked off with siavash about lying about his nominations...just a week earlier Bea did exactly the same thing...difference being, Bea had already nominated, then lied about it. Siavash said he was going to nominate, and then changed his mind. If it upsets charlie that people lie about nominations, why did he not have a go at Bea for exactly the same thing?

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He doesn't let people have a say.

2 examples.

Freddie: Freddie was explaining something to Marcus, charlie hears something he doesn't want to hear, and starts going off on one. Freddie a few times tried to explain what he meant, but Charlie keeps talking over himm to get his point across...Freddie again tries to explain what he meant, and suddenly Charlie wants nothing more to do with the conversation. A few minutes later, Charlie brings it up again, going on and on and on, Freddie eventually gets a word in, and charlie wants to speak about it tomorrow...which never happened. He always makes sure he gets his point across before 'forgetting the conversation'

Siavash: They all jump on him, maybe for good reason...I understand that Charlie may not of liked being lied to. He again did not let Siavash get a word in...steamrollering on and on with his views, pausing only to allow David or Rodrigo to have their say, every time Siavash tries to speak he is cut off. Siavash even points out that they are just shouting at him, but the same carries on...again it is decided that they leave it as they are sick of the conversation...only for it to be brought up again in the garden, and the same thing to happen.

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He **** stirs

Shorter example.

The Noirin 'protest' thing. He knew Noirin knew nothing of this, yet he had to tell her then make out that he thought she already knew. You may take this and turn it round to be him being loyal to a friend, but if this was the case, why not just tell her straight, instead of trying to make out that he said it by accident? Hmm...either for the cameras, so he is not SEEN as stirring, or to have a defense when the housemates find out that he is trying to cause trouble. I don't see any other possible reason.

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He is aggressive

This was shown during the whole swapping mattress thing with Rodrigo. He said he would swap beds, so Rodrigo went to change the mattresses as he said he did not want to swap beds, it is the same thing really. Charlie appears to be going to hit Rodrigo...did you see the look of sheer hatred that crossed his face? And don't say he was not aggressive, he was...everyone except charlie fans can see this. If they had been outside, I have no doubt in my mind he would of hit Rodrigo.

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He makes himself out to be the victim

The night him Sophie and Bea woke the whole house up with their antics. Rodrigo told charlie..not in a nice way though, I'll give you that...to get out of the bedroom if they were going to make noise...a pretty fair request given that he had just been woken up by having Sophie dumped on him. Yes, they were trying to get Sophie to bed. I understand this, however, as soon as charlie realised Rodrigo was annoyed, he starts shouting 'shout, come on now shout' in his face...he the proceeds to go to bed and start screaming at the top of his lungs. Rodrigo gets upset, kicks off...and charlie turns it round like he did nothing wrong...'if you asked me to be quiet I would of been'and puts on a baby voice 'don't threaten is'. he obviously wasn't that bothered about being threatened or he would of said something before hand about it, not as an afterthought. Rodrigo told him many times to shut up, charlie knows this. Then when Rodrigo is called to the diary room(rightly so by the way, he was getting aggressive) charlie tries to make out to the rest of the housemates that he did nothing wrong.

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He DOES use his mother for sympathy

After the message from home, the whole 'she is getting better because I am on BB' was disgusting. Basically, not him actually saying these word, but implying that if he won his mother would make a miraculous recovery.

I understand his mother is ill and its sad, and obviously he will get upset about it...I dislike the people who say he shouldn't speak about it at all. But the way he brought BB into his mother getting better was wrong, very wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact he is on a reality TV show, if this was the case, everyone with sick relatives would go on them to make them better.

Also the way he made out he was on BB 'for me mam'. His father made clear that it had been charlies dream for years to go on BB, he is there for him, no one else.

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He is totally fake

The whole Nana thing is just for the cameras, I think this is pretty obvious...and I love how it has never made the HL show, it is creepy and disturbing, and again, I am yet to see anyone who is not a charlie fan say that they find it in any way funny. In fact, my sister, who is 18, loved charlie, until she saw Nana. Now she doesn't. She says its weird.

Many times I have noticed him sitting scowling then looking up and seeing a camera and starting to smile and put the nicey nice act on. The other night with Siavash, if he was really as worked up and angry about it as he made out, why suddenly start flouncing around and go to dance with Lisa? If you were that mad, then hearing music would not snap you out of it. His face went from scowl to Beaming smile once he realised that he had a chance to switch back to Mr nice guy.

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Now, I could go on all day, but I am typing in the dark, and I don't really see why I should have to explain my reasons for disliking charlie...take your pick from the above, or just disregard the entire post...but I'm done here. Just thought I would let you know that not everyone dislikes him for no good reason, and maybe let you into the reasoning of some people who dislike him...

Also, I have used one or two examples of every point, there are more, but if I said it all, this would be even more of an essay

Its probably too long for people to bother with but its kept me busy for 20 minutes so never mind

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BBfan46
1) Why do you hate Charlie so much? Why in the last 3 weeks has he been so criticized?

2)Why do you want him to win? or Why do you like him?

1) Forum jealousy that he's very popular with chavs and the general public, may well win. So they create deluded, petty bandwagons in vein attempts to bring him down. Pretty similar with Lisa and all her cronies infact.

False propoganda about this, lies about that, random BS claims, posting derogatory threads aimed to create spite, etc. Trying to create a pre final storm to bring him down.

2) Because he's a decent guy all round, and he'd win me £600.

[Twilight]

I hate him because hes fake,hes a bitch,hes playing the sympathy card because of his mam and imo hes a annoying asshole

[Twilight]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Im spreading no lies.

I mentioned marcus as a comprison for hate thread. I think its a fair comparison as he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.

OK, you are defending your favourite...by totall disregarding most of my post and only referring to a bit where I said he was bitchy...speaks volumes if you dont even have any defense for his actions.

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He is a hypocrite.

He went off on one with marcus for saying stuff to bea, and freddie laughing. His reasoning was that he disliked anyone ganging up on people and them two were ganging up on Bea, he said he would do the same for anyone who was being ganged up on.

Yet he had no problem whatsoever when nearly the whole house ganged up on freddie...he even had the audacity to sit next to freddie whilst lisa karly and kris were picking at him and say not a word, straight after he had been sitting telling freddie that he had seen no ganging up. He then proceeds to attack Siavash, with rodrigo and david...now...if his real reason for kicking off about them ganging up on bea was indeed that he didnt like people being ganged up on...why take part in this kind of thing himself? Why not tell them this? That he was arguing so they should wait? No, he sat back and smiled smugly whilst the other two went on, no doubt planning what he could say to fill the gaps.

Also, he encouraged marcus freddie and siavash to break out of jail...yet when they recieve their punishment, which was the food being took away, he twists about it and says they shouldnt have done it. Bearing in mind he also told them after the breakout that they should not go to the diary room when asked.

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He doesnt let people have a say.

2 examples.

Freddie: Freddie was explaining something to marcus, charlie hears something he doesnt want to hear, and starts going off on one. Freddie a few times tried to explain what he meant, but charlie keeps talking over him to get his point across...freddie again tries to explain what he meant, and suddenly charlie wants nothing more to do with the conversation. A few minutes later, charlie brings it up again, going on and on and on, freddie eventually gets a word in, and charlie wants to speak about it tomorrow...which never happened. He always makes sure he gets his point across before 'forgetting the conversation'

Siavash: They all jump on him, maybe for good reason...I understand that Charlie may not of liked being lied to. He again did not let siavash get a word in...steamrollering on and on with his views, pausing only to allow david or rodrigo to have their say, everytime siavash tries to speak he is cut off. Siavash even points out that they are just shouting at him, but the same carries on...again it is decided that they leave it as they are sick of the conversation...only for it to be brought up again in the garden, and the same thing to happen.

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He **** stirs

Shorter example.

The Noirin 'protest' thing. He knew Noirin knew nothing of this, yet he had to tell her then make out that he thought she already knew. You may take this and turn it round to be him being loyal to a friend, but if this was the case, why not just tell her straight, instead of trying to make out that he said it by accident? Hmm...either for the cameras, so he is not SEEN as stirring, or to have a defense when the housemates find out that he is trying to cause trouble. I dotn see any other possible reason.

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He is agressive

This was shown during the whole swapping mattress thing with rodrigo. He said he would swap beds, so rodrigo went to change the matresses as he said he did not want to swap beds, it is the same thing really. Charlie appears to be going to hit rodrigo...did you see the look of sheer hatred that crossed his face? And dont say he was not agressive, he was...everyone except charlie fans can see this. If they had been outside, I have no doubt in my mind he would of hit Rodrigo.

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He makes himself out to be the victim

The night him sophie and bea woke the whole house up with their antics. Rodrigo told charlie..not in a nice way though, il give you that...to get out of the bedroom if they were going to make noise...a pretty fair request given that he had just been woken up by having sophie dumped on him. Yes, they were trying to get sophie to bed. I understand this, however, as soon as charlie realised rodrigo was annoyed, he starts shouting 'shout, come on now shout' in his face...he the proceeds to go to bed and start screaming at the top of his lungs. Rodrigo gets upset, kicks off...and charlie turns it round like he did nothing wrong...'if you asked me to be quiet I would of been'and puts on a baby voice 'dont threaten is'. he obviously wasnt that bothered about being thr4eatened or he would of said something before hand about it, not as an afterthought. Rodrigo told him many times to shut up, charlie knows this. Then when rodrigo is called to the diary room(rightly so by the way, he was getting agressive) charlie tries to make out to the rest of the housemates that he did nothing wrong.

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He DOES use his mother for sympathy

After the message from home, the whole 'she is getting better because I am on BB' was disgusting. Basically, not him actually saying these word, but implying that if he won his mother would make a miraculous recovery.

I understand his mother is ill and its sad, and obviously he will get upset about it...I dislike the people who say he shouldnt speak about it at all. But the way he brought BB into his mother getting better was wrong, very wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact he is on a reality TV show, if this was the case, everyone with sdick relatives would go on them to make them better.

Also the way he made out he was on BB 'for me mam'. His father made clear that it had been charlies dream for years to go on BB, he is there for him, noone else.

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He is totally fake

The whole nana thing is just for the cameras, I think this is pretty obvious...and I love how it has never made the HL show, it is creepy and disturbing, and again, I am yet to see anyone who is not a charlie fan say that they find it in any way funny. In fact, my sister, who is 18, loved charlie, until she saw nana. Now she doesnt. She says its weird.

Many times I have noticed him sitting scowling then looking up and seeing a camera and starting to smile and put the nicey nice act on. The other night with Siavash, if he was really as worked up and angry about it as he made out, why suddenly start flouncing around and go to dance with lisa? If you were that mad, then hearing music would not snap you out of it. His face went from scowl to beaming smile once he realised that he had a chance to switch back to mr nice guy.

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Now, I could go on all day, but i am typing in the dark, and I dont really see why i should have to explain my reasons for disliking charlie...take your pick from the above, or just disregard the entire post...but im done here. Just thought i would let you know that not everyone dislikes him for no good reason, and maybe let you into the reasoning of some people who dislike him...

Also, I have used one or two examples of every point, there are more, but if I said it all, this would be even more of an essay

Its probably too long for people to bother with but its kept me busy for 20 minutes so nevermind

Go vicky

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I mentioned marcus as a comprison for hate thread {.....} he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.

Numbers not vague assertions please! I have been kept pretty busy denouncing unfounded hate threads against Charlie is all I know. I have challenged unfounded attacks on others too, but nowhere near as often as for poor innocent Charlie who seems to have attracted unfair hatred.

Drawing attention to specific events whose interpretation can be debated is one thing and I acknowledge that different people will see things differently. However, blind knocking copy that denies the facts of a situation and then extrapolates to prove a point based upon a falsehood is devious and underhand. These attacks I have seen often on Charlie. Obviously he is neither saint nor angel, just a good hearted human being, well capable of making mistakes. Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad. Many attacks are intemperate and unfounded. He is a nice lad.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Twilight
I hate him because hes fake,hes a bitch,hes playing the sympathy card because of his mam and imo hes a annoying asshole

All magically in the past few weeks, bang on time with the sudden forum bandwagon, even citing examples from months ago.

Ohhh well, another attempt at generating hate and spreading BS about HMs, to bring them down. Typical forum propoganda.

"Ohhh poor Freddie!"
"Lisa's warnings and so forth!"
"Bully Bully!"
"Team Lisa is evil!"
"Charlie the bad guy!"

All myths. Freddie the snake, See-the-Cash the snake, Marcus is more than adept in what he's doing, etc. They all have flaws too; all HMs do.

I've cottoned onto this forum bandwagon game, LONG ago.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad.

Lol by correcting his mistakes do you mean the way he says 'I'm only joking' after offending someone?

Ps Can you give examples of all these attacks that hms have inflicted on Charlie...I'm drawing a blank!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Numbers not vague assertions please! I have been kept pretty busy denouncing unfounded hate threads against Charlie is all I know. I have challenged unfounded attacks on others too, but nowhere near as often as for poor innocent Charlie who seems to have attracted unfair hatred.

Drawing attention to specific events whose interpretation can be debated is one thing and I acknowledge that different people will see things differently. However, blind knocking copy that denies the facts of a situation and then extrapolates to prove a point based upon a falsehood is devious and underhand. These attacks I have seen often on Charlie. Obviously he is neither saint nor angel, just a good hearted human being, well capable of making mistakes. Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad. Many attacks are intemperate and unfounded. He is a nice lad.

Sorry...you expect me to go through EVERY post made and give you numbers? I dont think so...thats ridiculous

Over the course of BB marcus has had far more hate threads about him, since most of charlies only started in the recent weeks. At the minute charlie has more hate threads, I agree, but overall marcus has had way more.

I dont hate people for random reasons...thats why I felt the need to write the essay above to explain why I dislike him. This, coupled with the fact that I actually know him in real life. But when judging a tv program, that doesnt really come into it, and my run ins with him outside of the house are not really anyones business but my own. Thats why i felt the need to explain, plus give examples, in such detail.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden

Lol by correcting his mistakes do you mean the way he says 'I'm only joking' after offending someone?

Ps Can you give examples of all these attacks that hms have inflicted on Charlie...I'm drawing a blank!

Good point, attacks by HMs are very rare. The attacks to which I was referring were attacks by Forum members. The HMs who live with him in real time almost universally like and appreciate him for the good guy he is which must tell you something. They know when he's joking, but I guess some people have to be there to be able to see that he IS joking and that there is no malice. Rarely is a HM 'offended' as you put it, and that is confined to Rodrigo, but that is a special case.

One example of an attack was Siavash, when trying to defend his recent self serving decision not to nominate accused Charlie of backstabbing Bea by nominating her ( Charlie NEVER nominated Bea). Justifiably Charlie defended himself, questioning Siavash's position to accuse ANYONE of dishonour. You will notice that Charlie regretted the strength with which he defended himself and withdrew. He has subsequently dealt very magnanimously with Siavash, in spite of his baseless attack. This is an example of his seeking to correct his mistake in being quite so cutting to Siavash. Some have argued that Siavash deserved it.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Good point, attacks by HMs are very rare. The attacks to which I was referring were attacks by Forum members. The HMs who live with him in real time almost universally like and appreciate him for the good guy he is which must tell you something. They know when he's joking, but I guess some people have to be there to be able to see that he IS joking and that there is no malice. Rarely is a HM 'offended' as you put it, and that is confined to Rodrigo, but that is a special case.

One example of an attack was Siavash, when trying to defend his recent self serving decision not to nominate accused Charlie of backstabbing Bea by nominating her ( Charlie NEVER nominated Bea). Justifiably Charlie defended himself, questioning Siavash's position to accuse ANYONE of dishonour. You will notice that Charlie regretted the strength with which he defended himself and withdrew. He has subsequently dealt very magnanimously with Siavash, in spite of his baseless attack. This is an example of his seeking to correct his mistake in being quite so cutting to Siavash. Some have argued that Siavash deserved it.

Ah ok
You do know he offended David too don't you..also called his best friend & charity work partner Marcus 'nasty & selfish' behind his back.
The hms do like him but has that something to do with his mum? The evictees have said they want him to win cos of her. Apparently he has reminded them of that fact often enough! I feel I would go easy & be extra nice to someone in that situation.
I think I'll stop there Long_Run. We obviously have different opinions & see the young guy in different ways. Let's just agree to differ.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

1) Forum jealousy that he's very popular with chavs and the general public, may well win. So they create deluded, petty bandwagons in vein attempts to bring him down. Pretty similar with Lisa and all her cronies infact.

False propoganda about this, lies about that, random BS claims, posting derogatory threads aimed to create spite, etc. Trying to create a pre final storm to bring him down.

2) Because he's a decent guy all round, and he'd win me £600.

Aha, so now we know the REASON for all YOUR propoganda posts.

And you do nothing but post derogatory threads to create spite for other HM's!

Rumbled my friend.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden

Ah ok
You do know he offended David too don't you..also called his best friend & charity work partner Marcus 'nasty & selfish' behind his back.
The hms do like him but has that something to do with his mum? The evictees have said they want him to win cos of her. Apparently he has reminded them of that fact often enough! I feel I would go easy & be extra nice to someone in that situation.
I think I'll stop there Long_Run. We obviously have different opinions & see the young guy in different ways. Let's just agree to differ.

I guess we shall have to agree to differ as we are inhabitting a different reality. This Forum has been full of comments about his Mum, yes, but NONE of the evictees has mentioned his Mum, they have just said they want and expect him to win. This Forum has planted the idea in your head that they are saying this out of some sympathy for his Mum.
He offended David by saying throwing him out of the pool was like throwing out a whale? Is that what you were referring to? Good hearted banter and not taken as offence by David who that very evening went into the DR and SHOUTED Charlie's praises.
My opinion? Marcus has been nasty and selfish. I agree with Charlie on that one. Certainly the least group minded of all the remaining HMs, as he has declared himself.