[Stu]

Drug use and having a life? That is a poor argument. The majority of people use some form of drug.

Why are you still giving me arguments for Cannabis grown with high THC and lambasting me for ignoring you while it is you who are ignoring me? If Cannabis production, like alcohol, were regulated, it would be TOTALLY up to the government what sort of Cannabis to grow and engineer. AND, again, like you have ignored, Cannabis could be sold under extremely strict regulations, so regardless of THC content, vulnerable people would not be able to purchase it over the counter anyway.

You also fall into the trap of mentioning there are only 30,000 regular users. People who smoke Cannabis obsessively, like most people do with cigarettes. In mentioning this, you are, unbeknown to you, pointing out that MOST PEOPLE who use Cannabis do so infrequently. A few spliffs at the weekend perhaps, like Alcohol. It's like me structuring an entire Alcohol argument around the guy on the street who drinks twelve cans a day and applying it to the majority. Cant you see this? Two million smoke it frequently. Two million versus thirty thousand. Repeat that in your head.

And with that, most of your other arguments stem directly from those thirty thousand, forgetting they are the MINORITY. If you had actually had a great knowledge of Cannabis from the START, instead of relying on links to do the work, you would have known all this.

It's so simple!

[Niamh.]

lol, I cant believe you two are still arguing!!!

[Stu]

[rquote=2616251&tid=148331&author=Niamhxo]lol, I cant believe you two are still arguing!!![/rquote]
And in yet ANOTHER thread. Talk about overkill .

[Niamh.]

I think it's fair to say ye are never, ever, ever, ever going to agree!!!! it's a never ending circle at this stage!! lol

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616237&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Drug use and having a life? That is a poor argument. The majority of people use some form of drug.

Why are you still giving me arguments for Cannabis grown with high THC and lambasting me for ignoring you while it is you who are ignoring me? If Cannabis production, like alcohol, were regulated, it would be TOTALLY up to the government what sort of Cannabis to grow and engineer. AND, again, like you have ignored, Cannabis could be sold under extremely strict regulations, so regardless of THC content, vulnerable people would not be able to purchase it over the counter anyway.

You also fall into the trap of mentioning there are only 30,000 regular users. People who smoke Cannabis obsessively, like most people do with cigarettes. In mentioning this, you are, unbeknown to you, pointing out that MOST PEOPLE who use Cannabis do so infrequently. A few spliffs at the weekend perhaps, like Alcohol. It's like me structuring an entire Alcohol argument around the guy on the street who drinks twelve cans a day and applying it to the majority. Cant you see this? Two million smoke it frequently. Two million versus thirty thousand. Repeat that in your head.

And with that, most of your other arguments stem directly from those thirty thousand, forgetting they are the MINORITY. If you had actually had a great knowledge of Cannabis from the START, instead of relying on links to do the work, you would have known all this.

It's so simple![/rquote]

The 30,000 is based upon clear stats, numerous pieces of data.

Regular in the case of at least weekly.

All information is above.

You keep saying I know nothing but your views on it are nothing more than "oh, people die in cars, let's legalise Cannabis" - sorry but that's simplistic and everything you say, like I have told you is answered with evidence in that first post.

It's clear stubbornness and denial that stop you from accepting that.

Ask yourself, who in their right mind will say that alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis.

What I say isn't picked from the thin air. You live in a very small tiny bubble world if you think that the vast majority of neutral out there like me who base everything from reading and collating information woudl know better if we met somebody who dealt in the drug or believed the nonsense on Cannabis Prohibition websites.

Here's a clue and a very straight forward one.

I go to these pro-cannabis websites and read it and say "what a pile of crap" you know why? Because of Post number one in this thread and the countless other pieces of evidence out there.

That's what you don't accept. You feel there is an elitist high status badge you wear if you want Cannabis legalised.

I say, I've seen people suicidal and struggling with Cannabis and ex-users going around schools telling people not to smoke with the knowledge it funds Sex/Arms and Drugs Trafficking but - hey, you know better than all of those poeple don't you.

You know what I found really hilarious about what you posted in another thread? Was that Cannabis Culture editor who deals in the drug himself and has encouraged money laundering and drug dealing (leading to arms/sex and slave trafficking) as a "casualty" of Cannabis.

It just shows how little you know.

[Stu]

The 30,000 is based upon clear stats, numerous pieces of data.

So is the two million. Thirty thousand is still a smaller number than two million.

"oh, people die in cars, let's legalise Cannabis"

No, not at all. I gave my argument for it being safer legalized. You are ignoring this and making me look like a fool.

Ask yourself, who in their right mind will say that alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis.

No, not at all. I gave my argument for it being safer legalized. You are ignoring this and making me look like a fool.

That's what you don't accept. You feel there is an elitist high status badge you wear if you want Cannabis legalised.

Not at all. I never once said that. Null argument.

I say, I've seen people suicidal and struggling with Cannabis and ex-users going around schools telling people not to smoke with the knowledge it funds Sex/Arms and Drugs Trafficking but - hey, you know better than all of those poeple don't you.

I never once claimed it was 100% safe.

(leading to arms/sex and slave trafficking)

Cannabis would not lead to these things if it were regulated by the government.

It just shows how little you know.

You are the one that completely ignored my last post. Two million frequent users versus 30,000 who use it obsessively. In fact, I think even more than that might use it everyday. I certainly recall the figures being higher. Either way, two million is the majority and it's two million who use it at the same frequency as most people use alcohol.

Strict mental health screening and ID verification. Possibly resulting in registration and license needed to buy Cannabis, making it safer because vulnerable people and thus with a history of mental or physical ailments would be refused purchase.

No Cannabis contamination. Once again, gritweed is going to prove absolutely fatal in the long run. This could stop with legalization.

Voila.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616326&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]

The 30,000 is based upon clear stats, numerous pieces of data.

So is the two million. Thirty thousand is still a smaller number than two million.

"oh, people die in cars, let's legalise Cannabis"

No, not at all. I gave my argument for it being safer legalized. You are ignoring this and making me look like a fool.

Ask yourself, who in their right mind will say that alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis.

No, not at all. I gave my argument for it being safer legalized. You are ignoring this and making me look like a fool.

That's what you don't accept. You feel there is an elitist high status badge you wear if you want Cannabis legalised.

Not at all. I never once said that. Null argument.

I say, I've seen people suicidal and struggling with Cannabis and ex-users going around schools telling people not to smoke with the knowledge it funds Sex/Arms and Drugs Trafficking but - hey, you know better than all of those poeple don't you.

I never once claimed it was 100% safe.

(leading to arms/sex and slave trafficking)

Cannabis would not lead to these things if it were regulated by the government.

It just shows how little you know.

You are the one that completely ignored my last post. Two million frequent users versus 30,000 who use it obsessively. In fact, I think even more than that might use it everyday. I certainly recall the figures being higher. Either way, two million is the majority and it's two million who use it at the same frequency as most people use alcohol.

Strict mental health screening and ID verification. Possibly resulting in registration and license needed to buy Cannabis, making it safer because vulnerable people and thus with a history of mental or physical ailments would be refused purchase.

No Cannabis contamination. Once again, gritweed is going to prove absolutely fatal in the long run. This could stop with legalization.

Voila.[/rquote]

The 2 million you quote are people who have taken the drug at least once. Actually tried it. It's not regular users.

I mean, seriously, you do maths here. You're saying 1 in 30 people smoke Cannabis daily... right?

You're telling me that's true.

You look at the stats above where I sent you a link - it clearly shows how many smoke it regularly. Your view is pure fantasy and well... it's a clear people who have smoked it at least once.


So you say you gave views that it will be safer legalized? Well I have already responded to this stating with evidence numerous times how it is not safer. You choose not to reply to this.

As I have stated to you clearly that legalising Cannabis leads to an increase of Sex/Drugs and Arms Trafficking. I have said this to you and provided evidence in post one regarding this and you keep saying no it doesn't.

So... do you see why you hold a highly elitist fantasist arrogant view that Cannabis legalised is a good thing?

You ignore evidence. You make up evidence. You live in a fantasy world where Cannabis legalised as a drug will lead to low crime rates, remind me the name of the LEGAL drug that causes so many problems again? - did you know that during prohibition health problems decreased with Alcohol? How about countries where it doesn't exist and you think democratic legalising will aid it? Don't insult my intelligence. At least compare and contrast countries and see how stupid it sounds.

Apart from the laughable 2 million (that's people who have taken it at least once, not regularly. You really must live on cloud cuckoo land if you think 2 million people smoke it regularly. That's a joke. It's 2 million who have smoked it at least once.

Seriously - look at the flaws in what you are saying.

The proof and evidence of everything is in post one. Are you afraid of reading the evidence?

You say things that are answered with evidence in Post One? Why do you ignore that?

Now in your last paragraph you suddenly have faith in the Government. You want strict mental health screening (shows how little you know about Cannabis) and you want strict laws (shows how little you know about crime).

When I mentioned Pro-morbid and Pre-morbid conditions of mental illness - did you know what that meant? Do you understand that? Are you saying that the Government will screen and run psychological tests for people who buy it?

You are a fantasists.

You should really try to read up on things, especially mental health. Anybody can become mentally ill - but importantly, Cannabis induces Psychosis, even with one cigarette? Do you know why they know this? Laboratory trials, strict trials without the acid laced glass laced fantasies of drugs you talk about.

Evidence in post one again.

Seriously... you need to read up the facts. I have them. I have experience of dealing with people with Cannabis health problems. I've been in inner cities and in schools and liaisoned with ex-users who want to help kids get off Cannabis... hundreds.

You don't and you haven't.

That's the difference between reality and the fantasy from the anti-prohibitionists (who are drug dealers by the way... there is a monetary interest in this) on the internet.

Post one. It won't hurt.

[*mazedsalv**]

Interesting to see all the data and for some reason i thought Steroids was Class B but its C.

Interesting to see that unclassified ones like Alcohol, Solvents and Fags are more harmful than numerous Class A,B and C drugs based on deaths.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616279&tid=148331&author=Niamhxo]I think it's fair to say ye are never, ever, ever, ever going to agree!!!! it's a never ending circle at this stage!! lol[/rquote]

The evidence is there if he wants it. Up to date evidence from around the world.

[Stu]

So you think only 30,000 use it regularly? THAT is complete fantasy. Two million who have used it once? Complete fantasy. Two million are said to ''smoke it''. People who smoke it once and never again are not people who ''smoke it''. Your 30,000 are still in the minority. If you think only 30,000 smoke it regularly, you are absolutely nuts. The UK has one of the highest usage rates in the world. 700,000 the world over smoke it EVERY DAY. Make no mistake about it, those two million are people who smoke it frequently. And they are the majority. You cant even get your basic figures right! I'm pretty sure more than 30,000 in the UK smoke it EVERY DAY!

Most people who suffer mentally from Cannabis have underlying disorders. This is a fact. Legalization and mental screening and such, like I described, could curb these people from ever getting hands on it. This is a fact.

It has nothing to do with trusting the government. That is a redundant argument. The government is a very big thing. Some parts I like, some parts I don't.

Again, you are completely ignoring my gritweed argument AGAIN. Google it. It accounts for a large share of the Cannabis market now. It's going to prove absolutely fatal long term. It exists because of Cannabis's legal status.

A lot more dirty laundry is trafficked in Cannabis's illegal state and a lot more criminals are profiting from it in it's illegal state, taking the drug alone. You would be a fool to argue against this.

And imagine the tax possibilities! Sure, money is not a valid reason, but IF Cannabis were legal we would have a huge, massive plethora of money to pump into helping those affected by it, as well as targeting stone cold killers like Heroin and Crack Cocaine. That money could go a long way, as well as a police focus on hard drugs that can kill instantly, towards saving lots of lives.

[NettoSuperstar!]

fookin hell