[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

does that mean that we then cannot trust science?

I'm not sure I would regard morality as science or vice versa. Some people, such as the inventor of the atomic bomb might defend their horrific invention morally, but I think most people will agree it's more open-ended than that. To say nothing of the environmental damage that our society's industrial 'progress' has caused. Science is a positive, not normative discipline, so by definition is morally neutral.

[eye sea]

Good is when someone wins the Lottery, they give me half their winnings.

Bad is someone like Jacqui Smith MP, who stole thousands and thousands of pounds off the tax payer for homes, TVs, porn DVDs, kitchens, etc , and never paid any of it back.

And to add insult to injury, she is going into the House of Lords when she loses her seat next year - with an even bigger 'salary'.

[Mrluvaluva]

I think most normal individuals can mainly work out the difference between good and bad with a half decent upbringing. Your feelings and conscience tell you this.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The notion of good and evil depends on the culture. What is considered good in one society, is bad in another and vice versa. However, we all share some values (killing human is evil, helping people is good) yet we still can have differences (in some societies, killing a woman in public for daring to look at a man is good therefore normal etc...) so it's all subjective.

To stereotype a bit, what's good is defined as what can you do to make people happy, not to offend anyone, be honest and live a simple life.
What is bad is what does harm people, cheating, lying, being mean etc...

But then I think we shouldn't fall into what we call a division of the 2. Things aren't all white and black, they are grey.

Killing a woman in public for looking at a man - is/would be wrong in any society - whatever religion tries to justify it! Just requires commonsense and humanity to know that!

[Lauren]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Killing a woman in public for looking at a man - is/would be wrong in any society - whatever religion tries to justify it! Just requires commonsense and humanity to know that!

But is it really bad? I mean, I look at that situation and go "it's bad" - but why does the fact it's a universal understanding mean it's actually bad?

Plus the good/bad thing is constantly shifting. Years ago if you'd said that a man married his black wife - people would say that's bad, or if someone was gay, that was also bad.

(I am not saying murder is right, but who are we to say it's bad? Yes, it fits into the universal meaning of bad, but is it actually evil?).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Michael Jackson certainly clouded the issue with his Album Bad, because it was quite good.

[andyman]

Good topic.

The whole what is good and what is bad debate is what makes us human, our reality is what we make it within the chaos.
It's bit like history, what was writen was by the victor, maybe what is "good" is passed down has gone down the same way, but that is more on the political side of human nature..

There is also human feelings like empathy which could play a part.

[Lauren]

Is empathy completely instinctual though? Or is it shaped by society to a degree?

[andyman]

Don't know, well the animal world learn from their pack you could say, same maybe for humans.

If a baby human grows up with wolves, he or she will pick up their ways, and it happend to a girl with dogs.. Strange but true.

We live in chaos, random events of chaos, what is good and bad is man made.. It falls into the same pot with law and justice.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Lauren

But is it really bad? I mean, I look at that situation and go "it's bad" - but why does the fact it's a universal understanding mean it's actually bad?

Plus the good/bad thing is constantly shifting. Years ago if you'd said that a man married his black wife - people would say that's bad, or if someone was gay, that was also bad.

(I am not saying murder is right, but who are we to say it's bad? Yes, it fits into the universal meaning of bad, but is it actually evil?).

Sorry - but that is bull. You can't compare murder to mixed marriage and being gay.

Killing a woman for the reasons mentioned above is murder - and most definitely EVIL. In my book - any religion that would justify it is EVIL. They can dress it up how they like - but murder is murder!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Sorry - but that is bull. You can't compare murder to mixed marriage and being gay.

Killing a woman for the reasons mentioned above is murder - and most definitely EVIL. In my book - any religion that would justify it is EVIL. They can dress it up how they like - but murder is murder!

correctamundo

[NettoSuperstar!]

"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance" Socrates

"Ignorance, the root and stem of every evil" Plato

[InOne]

Psychopaths who kill are pretty evil.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance" Socrates

"Ignorance, the root and stem of every evil" Plato

"You gotta be
You gotta be bad, you gotta be bold, you gotta be wiser
You gotta be hard, you gotta be tough, you gotta be stronger
You gotta be cool, you gotta be calm, you gotta stay together
All I know, all I know, love will save the day"

Des'ree


(google is easy peasy)

[NettoSuperstar!]

Thank god this country is generally well educated! You know what Im saying

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Thank god this country is generally well educated! You know what Im saying

that you got aced by des'ree?

[NettoSuperstar!]

LoL

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by InOne

Psychopaths who kill are pretty evil.

The act of killing might be evil but the psychopath is sick in the head.......Are sick people "evil" !!!!!!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The act of killing might be evil but the psychopath is sick in the head.......Are sick people "evil" !!!!!!!!

sick people are evil, especially the ones who tell you in great detail about their ailments..

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sick people are evil, especially the ones who tell you in great detail about their ailments..

Oh dear. Be carfull when you get old and have lots of ailments to be oh so quiet........

[InOne]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The act of killing might be evil but the psychopath is sick in the head.......Are sick people "evil" !!!!!!!!

Psychopaths know the difference from right and wrong, so they have a choice, but they just don't care.