[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

explain to me what they are then...

my question first please

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

my question first please

Remember the Atheist 10 commandments thread? There.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Remember the Atheist 10 commandments thread? There.

that's not your values that is something you found on google. lol

[Wildcat!]

See the thing is, if I immigrate in some country, its not the religions that I worry about. I want to adhere to the values of the society. And since religion is so divided in here, thats not the thing I would focus on. I think thats silly. And ironically, it mirrors extremists.

I think we can talk about values nowadays, without bringing religion into it.

I f i went to backwards societies, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Israel, and I chose to immigrate there, I would focus mainly on their religious values, because its their law. BUt the thing is I wouldnt choose to emmigrate in a country like that.

[InOne]

Israel is quite divided though really, go to Tel-Aviv it's like being in any city, it's the settlers on the West Bank that cause the problems, those Extreme Orthadox Jews

[lily.]

Just to clarify... would all existing UK residents be forced to adhere to Christianity as well?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lili

Just to clarify... would all existing UK residents be forced to adhere to Christianity as well?

have you not had the forms through?

maybe you are a credit risk

[lily.]

Oh, trust me, I am a credit risk.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

where do you get your values from?


(hint, i bet they are Christian)

I get my values from Tesco's. Sometimes two for the price of one......

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bananarama

I get my values from Tesco's. Sometimes two for the price of one......

oops

you mentioned the T word

[Skeptic-i]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All new immigrants should accept Britain’s traditional Christian values and be willing to adapt to them.

It really makes me laugh when today's Christians push this line. They seem to forget that Britain's traditional Christian values once denied women rights, denied non-believers the right to stand in Parliament, denied free speech and condemned non-believers and homosexuals to imprisonment and execution, etc.

Every right that both Christians and non-believers take for granted today, hasn't come about through conformity to traditional Christian values - they have come about through non-conformity(the heretics - including non-believers) who fearlessly fought for change.

Christians born today take on those new values that the heretics and non-believers bravely fought for - and assume those values are our countries 'traditional' Christian values; which, in all reality, are not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

It really makes me laugh when today's Christians push this line. They seem to forget that Britain's traditional Christian values once denied women rights, denied non-believers the right to stand in Parliament, denied free speech and condemned non-believers and homosexuals to imprisonment and execution, etc.

Every right that both Christians and non-believers take for granted today, hasn't come about through conformity to traditional Christian values - they have come about through non-conformity(the heretics - including non-believers) who fearlessly fought for change.

Christians born today take on those new values that the heretics and non-believers bravely fought for - and assume those values are our countries 'traditional' Christian values; which, in all reality, are not.

and where in the Bible, in the New Testament, does it say to do any of these things?

If a man kills someone and says he did it because Jesus told him to do so we do not condemn Christianity as a religion for murderers.

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_ChristianValues.htm

[Skeptic-i]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and where in the Bible, in the New Testament, does it say to do any of these things?

If a man kills someone and says he did it because Jesus told him to do so we do not condemn Christianity as a religion for murderers.

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_ChristianValues.htm

Wow! Talk about "Christian lite" of the modern (almost inclusive) al le carte variety. Let's ignore the misogamy, the "offence" of blasphemy, the homophobia, the condoning of slavery - and the constant damning of those who disbelieve that persists within scripture.

Hardly "Loving your neighbour" - which, within traditional Christianity, didn't extend to those outside the Christian fold.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

Wow! Talk about "Christian lite" of the modern (almost inclusive) al le carte variety. Let's ignore the misogamy, the "offence" of blasphemy, the homophobia, the condoning of slavery - and the constant damning of those who disbelieve that persists within scripture.

Hardly "Loving your neighbour" - which, within traditional Christianity, didn't extend to those outside the Christian fold.

yes you are right, you have uncovered the hideous fact that Christianity is evil, oh those millions of fools...


lol at condoning of slavery, misogamy etc..

[andyman]

Lets find them witches, me and LT will hunt them down!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by andyman

Lets find them witches, me and LT will hunt them down!

they are on itv at lunchtimes

[andyman]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are on itv at lunchtimes

So true.

[Skeptic-i]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you are right, you have uncovered the hideous fact that Christianity is evil, oh those millions of fools...


lol at condoning of slavery, misogamy etc..

Scripture condones slavery -as did Christians for more than 1500 yrs. The Bible is also misogynistic: generally portraying women negatively - accordingly establishing rules on how women must be treat.

Of course, you may find that funny today - but it wasn't funny those who lived under those conditions. It wasn't funny for who opposed those views - those who risked imprisonment for heresy/blasphemy.

[BB_Eye]

Xenophobia in the church, no surprise there.

[kcmik]

One thing in britain that everyone is priviledged too is that we are all entitled to support what religion we want. Personally, i don't believe in any of it, coz if there was a god, allah, jesus whatever, there would be NO wars, therefore peaceful and safe life for everyone. ONE thing i DONT support is freedom of speech if you dont like the way we live in this country, go back to your own country.......you have no freedom of speech here! That evil man (sorry, i dont know the blurts name) people get put in prison for not paying council tax etc, an you got terrorists like him, preaching in the street what they want to do to us! joke. He is still here, scaving off our taxes.....thats religion??????

[ange7]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...an-values.html

All new immigrants should accept Britain’s traditional Christian values and be willing to adapt to them, according to a prominent clergyman.

He also called for an end to the segregation of Muslims in British cities, which he warned provides a breeding ground for extremists.


This links in with that BNP video of the ghettos in London that many on here pretended to think was good in an attempt at being all 2010.

views?

"This links in with that BNP video"
All I learnt from this post is that leather dude goes to sites that show BNP videos.... what a mother *******ing surprise.
mahahaha

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Skeptic-i

Scripture condones slavery -as did Christians for more than 1500 yrs. The Bible is also misogynistic: generally portraying women negatively - accordingly establishing rules on how women must be treat.

Of course, you may find that funny today - but it wasn't funny those who lived under those conditions. It wasn't funny for who opposed those views - those who risked imprisonment for heresy/blasphemy.

slavery in the first century is not the slavery that you are mistakenly getting your knickers in a twist about. Go and google slavery in Christian times.

A women discovered Jesus missing in his tomb. Women play a vital role in the early Church in Acts and throughout the NT - unheard of in these times and for the next 1900 years.

if you wish to make accusations about the Bible use examples from the Bible and not abstract comments. All your accusations are the same old ones that anyone can read on the "skeptic" websites, usually created by single guys, with too much facial hair in their basements in the US.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ange7

"This links in with that BNP video"
All I learnt from this post is that leather dude goes to sites that show BNP videos.... what a mother *******ing surprise.
mahahaha

it was a link to a thread originally on DS i am afraid, sorry to ruin your conspiracy...

[ange7]

BNP changed their name to DS? thanks for the head up leather guy. You really are in the know when it comes to this stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ange7

BNP changed their name to DS? thanks for the head up leather guy. You really are in the know when it comes to this stuff.

aha

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