[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Ghostinthehouse

Respect for others is about having respect for yourself and the world you live in.

So where was the respect for non-believers? People who fundamentally do not believe in afterlife or eternal salvation/damnation but just wish to spend the limited time we have here??????????????

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Ghostinthehouse

Respect for others is about having respect for yourself and the world you live in.

You made suggestions twenty four hours ago that me and other TiBB members were paedophiles. You have no right whatsoever to talk about respect to me.

You can't make blank statements like that. All style, no substance. Many religious people don't respect me. Not do their beliefs. Why should I respect them? So if somebody declares belief in something I should respect it without question?

Give me a reason why. Please.

I don't respect organised religion. Now give me a definitive reason as to why I should.

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Girlinstatic

Like I said, I think you should respect the fact that it gives thousands of people all over the world comfort and something to live for. Having a strong belief in something can be empowering and can even drag some people out of the gutter. The bible would comdemn what I am too, but I still am not judgemental to those who have that faith.

Exactly right.

And some people should consider that before making comments about Stephen's faith in the CBB house.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Girlinstatic

Like I said, I think you should respect the fact that it gives thousands of people all over the world comfort and something to live for. Having a strong belief in something can be empowering and can even drag some people out of the gutter. The bible would comdemn what I am too, but I still am not judgemental to those who have that faith.

Why should I respect what they believe in if I think what they believe in is bullshit? That's just lying to them, essentially. Do you see that as being respectful? I know that it gives lots of people comfort, I understand that, but I don't have to respect it. Because I believe it's wrong. And contradicting what I believe is disrespectful to me.

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

You made suggestions twenty four hours ago that me and other TiBB members were paedophiles. You have no right whatsoever to talk about respect to me.

You can't make blank statements like that. All style, no substance. Many religious people don't respect me. Not do their beliefs. Why should I respect them? So if somebody declares belief in something I should respect it without question?

Give me a reason why. Please.

I don't respect organised religion. Now give me a definitive reason as to why I should.

Because, as I have already said, respect for others is about respect for oneself. If you don't understand why you should respect others then you have a problem with respect for yourself.

Here are two questions for you.

Why can't you respect others just because they think differently to you?

Why do you disrespect others simply because they are different to you?

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Why should I respect what they believe in if I think what they believe in is bullshit?That's just lying to them, essentially. Do you see that as being respectful? I know that it gives lots of people comfort, I understand that, but I don't have to respect it. Because I believe it's wrong. And contradicting what I believe is disrespectful to me.

Why the unnecessary use of offensive language Judas? You can disagree without it you know.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Ghostinthehouse

Because, as I have already said, respect for others is about respect for oneself. If you don't understand why you should respect others then you have a problem with respect for yourself.

Here are two questions for you.

Why can't you respect others just because they think differently to you?

Why do you disrespect others simply because they are different to you?

Respect for others is not respect for yourself. That's what's called a sweeping statement. Do you respect Stalin's purges because he believed in them? That essentially answers your two questions - which are in fact the one question but phrased differently. Why should I respect in belief systems that don't respect me?

As for my swearing - it is incredibly irrelevant to this discussion. I swear. You don't. Leave it out. I may swear, but I do not suggest that other users of this forum are paedophiles, kid.

[Girlinstatic]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Why should I respect what they believe in if I think what they believe in is bullshit? That's just lying to them, essentially. Do you see that as being respectful? I know that it gives lots of people comfort, I understand that, but I don't have to respect it. Because I believe it's wrong. And contradicting what I believe is disrespectful to me.

You seem to think that you'd be indulging them by respecting it! It is totally irrelevant if you personally think it's bull or not... Respecting something in my book usually just involves letting people live their life how they wish without passing judgement or making rude comments etc. What's the harm in that?! If they're not interfering in your life, why do it to theirs?

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Respect for others is not respect for yourself. That's what's called a sweeping statement. Do you respect Stalin's purges because he believed in them? That essentially answers your two questions - which are in fact the one question but phrased differently. Why should I respect in belief systems that don't respect me?

As for my swearing - it is incredibly irrelevant to this discussion. I swear. You don't. Leave it out. I may swear, but I do not suggest that other users of this forum are paedophiles, kid.

Why the defensiveness? If you don't want to actually reply to my questions then that is your choice. Your fear is obvious. Those who fear are fearful of those who are not.

You should take time to be with your thoughts.

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Girlinstatic

Respecting something in my book usually just involves letting people live their life how they wish without passing judgement or making rude comments etc. What's the harm in that?! If they're not interfering in your life, why do it to theirs?

Which is a good example of why everyone has to be respectful of others, as we all share the same world.

More respect would mean less war, death and suffering.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Girlinstatic

You seem to think that you'd be indulging them by respecting it! It is totally irrelevant if you personally think it's bull or not... Respecting something in my book usually just involves letting people live their life how they wish without passing judgement or making rude comments etc. What's the harm in that?! If they're not interfering in your life, why do it to theirs?

And why are my interfering in their lives by simply not respecting their beliefs? It's hardly as if I am putting ladders up against churches at night to hang banners saying 'I DNT RESPECT UR BELIEFS' ,is it?

Again, religious beliefs often compromise my beliefs, my respect and my life. Homosexuality was banned here in Ireland for a long time due directly to Catholic beliefs and influence. Abortion is still banned here. I know I am going off the beaten track, but it illustrates organised religions lack of respect for my beliefs.

And you want me to still respect their beliefs based on an invisible superbeing I don't believe in?

Give me a break.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Ghostinthehouse

Why the defensiveness? If you don't want to actually reply to my questions then that is your choice. Your fear is obvious. Those who fear are fearful of those who are not.

You should take time to be with your thoughts.

I have replied to your questions. You have not replied to what I have posted. Simple.

This is all starting to get more and more clear ...

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Girlinstatic

You seem to think that you'd be indulging them by respecting it! It is totally irrelevant if you personally think it's bull or not... Respecting something in my book usually just involves letting people live their life how they wish without passing judgement or making rude comments etc. What's the harm in that?! If they're not interfering in your life, why do it to theirs?

Not interfering???????????? Baldy was making them say grace for meals and seemed to be inflicting the bible on poor Alex who was the only one too daft to tell him to stop.

If Baldy has his beliefs then fine - I wouldn't inflict my soscialist belefs on anyone unless they were equally interested in a debate.

Or make them sing the Red Flag before tucking into dinner.

[Stu]

I believe Santa Claus exists.

Respect me.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

I believe Santa Claus exists.

Respect me.

He must have brought you a nice prezzie - I got socks and aftershave! I gonna stop believing in him

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Claymores

He must have brought you a nice prezzie - I got socks and aftershave! I gonna stop believing in him

I will still respect your beliefs .

I believe in the tooth fairy too .

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Not interfering???????????? Baldy was making them say grace for meals and seemed to be inflicting the bible on poor Alex who was the only one too daft to tell him to stop.

Stephen said grace before a couple of meals that's all. And the other HMs did not all say grace with him, he did NOT make them say anything. They said nothing and showed respect while he said grace at the same table. That is how it should be.

Why does it upset you if someone simply wants to say a few words before a meal?

Can't you wait a few seconds to eat while they say what is important to them?

But you think it is OK for you to insist that people at a table with you do NOT say grace - that IS you forcing your 'beliefs' (or lack thereof) on them.

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Claymores

He must have brought you a nice prezzie - I got socks and aftershave! I gonna stop believing in him

That is off topic.

As James said, lets stay on topic shall we.

[Tom4784]

I'm with Stu here, He's made a much more valid point in this thread then anyone else.

For me personally I don't care for any religion, I think there could be something out there but there's no point in worrying either way as there's no way to prove or disprove it. I like to believe in a greater force as it's a comforting thought but I don't really believe in organised religion. I think respecting beliefs is pointless you might not respect mine but it doesn't make them any less valid in my own mind, All that matters to me is my own mind and resolve why should it matter if people respect that or not?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

And why are my interfering in their lives by simply not respecting their beliefs? It's hardly as if I am putting ladders up against churches at night to hang banners saying 'I DNT RESPECT UR BELIEFS' ,is it?

Again, religious beliefs often compromise my beliefs, my respect and my life. Homosexuality was banned here in Ireland for a long time due directly to Catholic beliefs and influence. Abortion is still banned here. I know I am going off the beaten track, but it illustrates organised religions lack of respect for my beliefs.

And you want me to still respect their beliefs based on an invisible superbeing I don't believe in?

Give me a break.

*sigh*

I thought it was me who did not respond to questions?

[Tom4784]

Ghosty, please stop being anal with the rules and try to actually argue the points instead of dodging them.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

*sigh*

I thought it was me who did not respond to questions?

Don't get depressed - ask President what to do

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Don't get depressed - ask President what to do

You mean Gavin?

You mean President?

I'm confused .

[CaudleHalbard]

Imagine if a Muslim HM (and there have been such) made fellow HMs sit around and, on a daily basis, listen to readings from the Koran... and had also taken an HM (preferably one with limited intellect!) into the snug for some personal Islamic instruction.

Ch4's switchboard would be glowing red-hot with complaints! There would be calls for the Muslim HM to be ejected.

[Ghostinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Again, religious beliefs often compromise my beliefs, my respect and my life. Homosexuality was banned here in Ireland for a long time due directly to Catholic beliefs and influence. Abortion is still banned here. I know I am going off the beaten track, but it illustrates organised religions lack of respect for my beliefs.

And you want me to still respect their beliefs based on an invisible superbeing I don't believe in?

Give me a break.

Why do you find it so hard to simply accept that there are many, many people in the world that do not have the same ideas or beliefs as you? And that if you wish to live in the world,(you're 19 years old you said didn't you?) as you get older you have to learn to respect others and their beliefs.

For example, when you have a family and children, you will have to accept, and respect ,their right to have a belief in Christianity if they want. Or would you disown them? Surely not? Don't you already have family members who have differing beliefs? Including in politics - which you mentioned in your post.

You also mention you come from Ireland? Surely then you understand how a lack of respect for religious beliefs and a lack of tolerance is a terrible thing?