[Ruth]

No, what I mean is, obviously everyone isn't going to be friends with everyone, but in a situation like that, you gravitate towards the people most like yourself (which is probably why Makosi and Kemal were initially very close, Derek and Roberto got on so well, both being a bit older than the others etc). But just because you get on well with certain people in that situation, doesn't mean that you would get on well with them in normal life. They were in a very artificial environment inside the house.

I didn't mean that everyone would be friends with everyone else. Just that if you are stuck with 12 strangers, you might form bonds with people that you wouldn't form bonds with on the outside world, where you are not cut off from your family and friends.

And when I said they were forced together, what I meant was that all of the housemates were forced to live together inside the house. They could get away from each other a bit - by going into different rooms, but I meant that they were forced to live in the same house - so they were forced together.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Ruth

Because Saskia was the 'boss' in that little team; she played the guys like puppets

Sorry, but I really didn't like Maxwell and Saskia.

I disagree. That really wasn't the case at all.

Yeah, I can see why Saskia wasn't popular with a lot of women.

[Ruth]

What are you suggeting is the reason that I didn't like Saskia (or that a lot of women didn't like Saskia)? I know thatyou think she was very attractive, and if that's the reason you suspect I dislike her, then you're wrong. I apologise if that's not what you're suggesting, but it really bugs me that if a woman dislikes another woman who happens to be attractive, people always assume that the reason for the dislike is BECAUSE the other woman is attractive. The reasons I didn't like Saskia were her rather suspect views on immigration, her filthy mouth and her sulky attitude.

Also, I said I didn't like Team Saskia, not just Saskia herself (although I quite liked Anthony once Maxwell and Saskia had gone).

[Ruth]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I disagree. That really wasn't the case at all.

I'm only suggesting it as a reason for the team name! A lot of people have said this, and you asked a question, so I was offering a response.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Ruth

I apologise if that's not what you're suggesting

Your apology is accepted.

[Ruth]

Okay, no offence intended. Why do you think a lot of women wouldn't like Saskia?

[CharlotteSometimes]

LOL! For a lot of the reasons you say 'bug you' in your post, to be honest. But I don't know you and have never met you, so it would be rather rude to put you into the same bracket, based on a highly questionable presumption.

I certainly wouldn't have discussed a lot of the things Saskia did during her time in the house, especially as the only female in the company of three men. But I wouldn't say that it was any worse than comments and actions from any of the other female hm's, either. Both Kinga and Lesley, for example, made me ashamed of my gender for their behaviour in the house.

The history of BB speaks for itself, though. Attractive women rarely do well. Kate was the only real exception, but she was fortunate in that she had so many facets to her character that the female audience identified with.