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Claymores · 20-03-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Obviously you have never been there, the islands are quite scenic and beautiful, somewhat like Northern Scotland.

So what you are proposing is forcibly removing the islanders back to the UK mainland, then handing the islands back over to Aregentina, after all the money we have sunk into them, not to mention the lives?

Yeah great idea.

The Malvenas should obviously be part of Argentina IMHO. Just because we sent settlers out there many moons ago doesn't make it "British" any more than if Argentina had colonised the Western Isles of Scotland.and hold them as national territory.

At some point you've got to say 'end of empire' and hand back things like India or South West Africa.

The Malvenas are Argentinian - it's just that the military Junta of the time made a mistake by trying to take the Malvenas back by force to distract their population from the domestic problems. It had the reverse effect as they were outed we were stuck with Thatcher/Tory domination for many miserable years

Shas - if you fought there then fine and I respect your courage and will.............I'd still rather give it back, it's not the end of the world that the settlers' descendants have to be repatriiated. I'm pretty sure the Argentinian government would offer them full Argentinian passports and not require them to leave anyway.

You jokingly moaned about how Iraq/Afghanistan had cost you money - give the Malvenas back and you're quids-in.

I'll continue to call it the Malvenas

Shasown · 20-03-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymores

The Malvenas should obviously be part of Argentina IMHO. Just because we sent settlers out there many moons ago doesn't make it "British" any more than if Argentina had colonised the Western Isles of Scotland.and hold them as national territory.

At some point you've got to say 'end of empire' and hand back things like India or South West Africa.

The Malvenas are Argentinian - it's just that the military Junta of the time made a mistake by trying to take the Malvenas back by force to distract their population from the domestic problems. It had the reverse effect as they were outed we were stuck with Thatcher/Tory domination for many miserable years

Shas - if you fought there then fine and I respect your courage and will.............I'd still rather give it back, it's not the end of the world that the settlers' descendants have to be repatriiated. I'm pretty sure the Argentinian government would offer them full Argentinian passports and not require them to leave anyway.

You jokingly moaned about how Iraq/Afghanistan had cost you money - give the Malvenas back and you're quids-in.

I'll continue to call it the Malvenas

Slight difference with the other bits of the old empire is that there are no indigenous natives wanting to break away rather the locals down there decided unanimously to remain part of the UK.

Its not about what anyone wants really, its simply a way of staking a claim on natural resources in the area. It also provides the UK with a great stopover point for when its decided the other resources in the world are running so low its time to rape Antarctica. Its planning for the future of our children and our childrens children.

You can call them what you like but if you look at it's history it was named the Falkland Islands in 1690, they werent settled till 1764 by the French and its from their name for the islands the name Malvinas is derived, - Iles Malouines.

The money I lost out on due the party in Iraq was a personal allowance that due to commitments imposed by Uncle Tony I was unable to claim. But hey ho he got his consultancy fees out of it, so alls well with the world.

Claymores · 20-03-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Argentina threatens to ban firms
operating in the Falklands as Royal Navy sends attack submarine

Anda the Royal Navy torpedoes an ageing WW2 cruiser sailing directly away from the Malvenas and ouwith the illegal "exclusion zone" anyway so The Sun can say "GOTCHA" about the illegal drownings.

Shasown · 20-03-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymores

Anda the Royal Navy torpedoes an ageing WW2 cruiser sailing directly away from the Malvenas and ouwith the illegal "exclusion zone" anyway so The Sun can say "GOTCHA" about the illegal drownings.

Following messages from the British Government through the Swiss on April 23rd where it was stated that the British Forces in the area would view all Argentine military assets in the area as legitimate military targets under the mandate for self defence under the UN's Charter 51, the actual heading and speed of a military vessel is immaterial in military operations, its position intent and capabilities are however critical.

Argentine Rear-Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano".

In 1994 the Argentine government conceded that the sinking of the Belgrano was "a legal act of war".

Admiral Enrique Molina Pico, head of the Argentine Navy in the 1990s, wrote in a letter to La Nacion, published in the 2 May 2005 edition, that the Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission. Although this is the official position of the Argentine Navy his comments were soon heavily criticized.

Source: Wikipedia.

arista · 29-02-2012, 06:08 PM

Boycott British products! Argentina orders top 20 firms to shop elsewhere as tensions continue to rise over Falklands

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1nnNl24Px

Now She wants a Trade War.

Well Feck you
your Nations Stuff
I will not buy.

Nasty Bitch Leader

29-02-2012, 06:19 PM

I'm torn on this issue. It really isn't land that we should have anything to do with, as it's nowhere near the UK. However, the fact that the islanders wish to be British is another factor.

They should declare independence from us both. With their location and potential resources, they would probably all be instant millionaires.

lostalex · 29-02-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I'm torn on this issue. It really isn't land that we should have anything to do with, as it's nowhere near the UK. However, the fact that the islanders wish to be British is another factor.

They should declare independence from us both. With their location and potential resources, they would probably all be instant millionaires.

The WHITE BRITS on the island don't want ARGENTINIANS on their land, which is racist. Why is there not a fair immigration system for Argentinians to immigrate to the islands if they would like??

You don't see how it's racist??

29-02-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

The WHITE BRITS on the island don't want ARGENTINIANS on their land, which is racist. Why is there not a fair immigration system for Argentinians to immigrate to the islands if they would like??

You don't see how it's racist??

Argentina aren't pushing for a change to the falklands immigration policy. They are pushing for control over them.

This isn't a racism issue. At all. I'm sympathetic to Argentina's claim to the land, and I would like to see it being handed back, like other former colonies of ours.

The days of Englishmen claiming things by sticking flags in it, are long gone.

arista · 29-02-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Argentina aren't pushing for a change to the falklands immigration policy. They are pushing for control over them.

This isn't a racism issue. At all. I'm sympathetic to Argentina's claim to the land, and I would like to see it being handed back, like other former colonies of ours.

The days of Englishmen claiming things by sticking flags in it, are long gone.

Not worth you telling him
we get that on nearly Every Thread when he posts

arista · 29-02-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I'm torn on this issue. It really isn't land that we should have anything to do with, as it's nowhere near the UK. However, the fact that the islanders wish to be British is another factor.

They should declare independence from us both. With their location and potential resources, they would probably all be instant millionaires.

Typical

It's British
and they All want to Stay British

lostalex · 29-02-2012, 06:13 PM

I have a simple solution for this whole problem. Allow free immigration between Argentina and the Malvinas/Faulklands. Allow Argentinian people to live there. and work there, and the demographic will change over time, and eventually Argentinians will outnumber the brits, and they will choose to become part of Argentina.

This seems like the most natural and peaceful resolution to this whole thing.

Allow immigration.

It is wrong that Argentinians are not allowed to immigrate to these islands. Segregation is not okay. The British are trying to keep the Malvinas/Faulklands RACIALLY british, and that is wrong, and racist.

The situation as it is right now is no different to South Africa, another British colonial screw up. Don't repeat the same mistake.

arista · 29-02-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

I have a simple solution for this whole problem. Allow free immigration between Argentina and the Malvinas/Faulklands. Allow Argentinian people to live there. and work there, and the demographic will change over time, and eventually Argentinians will outnumber the brits, and they will choose to become part of Argentina.

This seems like the most natural and peaceful resolution to this whole thing.

Allow immigration.

It is wrong that Argentinians are not allowed to immigrate to these islands. Segregation is not okay.

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On

Its Our Land
Our Oil

lostalex · 29-02-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On

Its Our Land
Our Oil

who is "we"? WHITE BRITS??

arista · 29-02-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

who is "we"? WHITE BRITS??

The People that Live on Our Islands.

They are Our Property

How would you like
Russians taking over California
Attacking you

Thats what they did

lostalex · 29-02-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

The People that Live on Our Islands.

They are Our Property

How would you like
Russians taking over California
Attacking you

Thats what they did

umm, there are thousands of Russians in California, so wtf are you talking about???

29-02-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

The People that Live on Our Islands.

They are Our Property

How would you like
Russians taking over California
Attacking you

Thats what they did

It would be just like that, presuming that California is a tiny close to Russia.

michael21 · 29-02-2012, 06:26 PM

give then david cameron then there will go under

SoBig · 29-02-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On

Its Our Land
Our Oil

Shouldn't it be the FALKLAND ISLANDERS land and oil?

arista · 29-02-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

Shouldn't it be the FALKLAND ISLANDERS land and oil?

They need us to Drill it up.
They all will get a Share.

lostalex · 29-02-2012, 06:23 PM

Um, so let me get this straight, you are saying that it would be perfectly fine for America to ban all Russians from moving to California??

WTF are you talking about??