[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.

you do realise that there are people outside of your friends, other streets, schools other towns, cities, countries, continents?


Jesus H Christ - some people on Tibb take the biscuit (and wine)

[Stu]

Originally Posted by InOne

I don't like this Evangelical 'cool to be Christian' attitude that some have seemed to have adopted.

Yeah it's becoming a cool thing to do in a lot of scene circles now, purely because most other teens have ditched religious belief, and these twerps will do anything to appear different.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you do realise that there are people outside of your friends, other streets, schools other towns, cities, countries, continents?


Jesus H Christ - some people on Tibb take the biscuit (and wine)

Yeah there are a lot of Christians but how many could really be considered to be Christian? A huge amount of people will just say 'Christian' in surveys but Christianity has no active part of their life and they have an abysmal understanding of the scripture.

You should know this better than anyone.

I'm not saying Christians don't exist or people who don't take religion seriousy - that's absurd - but in most suburbs there seems to be a relaxed, apathetic view to the whole thing. I should know. I live in that kind of house.

My own parents are what I would call 'Christian by default'. There's a lovely little picture of Jesus on the wall at the top of the stairs but apart from that ... ?

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.

I think your generalising there "most" people do not take reliogion as a joke, I would say it would be more so the uneducated who do this!!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

I think your generalising there "most" people do not take reliogion as a joke, I would say it would be more so the uneducated who do this!!

Could you please rephrase this. Who is not taking reliogion as a joke?

and a no true scotsman fallacy... No one follows the Bible completely,

You just pulled off the fallacy as you spoke. Woops!
They call this 'self-pwnage'.

I would also mention that there are people who claim to be Scotsmen who are not Scotsmen.
Really.

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Could you please rephrase this. Who is not taking reliogion as a joke?



You just pulled off the fallacy as you spoke. Woops!
They call this 'self-pwnage'.

I would also mention that there are people who claim to be Scotsmen who are not Scotsmen.
Really.

Sorry people who think religion is a joke! TOo many words sorry x

People on here stating most people think religion is a joke which is complete nonsense.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

Sorry people who think religion is a joke! TOo many words sorry x

People on here stating most people think religion is a joke which is complete nonsense.

Yeah that was strange anyone would get that impression but then it could be the circles they hand around in and then the media they pay attention to.

Religion really is taken very seriously by a good solid part of the UK population although it definitely has declined over the last 100 years,
but,
then again some recent surveys show the more 'conservative' denominations (and we might associate those with 'seriousness') are seeing a decent rise in popularity.

Of course there are people like David who think its all a joke.

[InOne]

I don't like this Evangelical 'cool to be Christian' attitude that some have seemed to have adopted.

[BB_Eye]

To be honest El Proximo, you would have made as fine a piece of living, breathing satire as any if Channel 4 had it in for Christians.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

To be honest El Proximo, you would have made as fine a piece of living, breathing satire as any if Channel 4 had it in for Christians.

Amen to that a christian extremist not everyday you see one of them.

[billy123]

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This ignores the fact that it was the early Christian thinkers who engaged in science because they felt it was their divine duty to study God's creation as much as the Bible, leading to scientific investigation in the west. (Copernicus was a member of the Catholic church and Kepler the Lutheran church to name but two)

It also ignores the current work carried out by scientists who are comited Christians, one of whom used to be a member of our congregation until he moved to Oban in Scotland.

It also ignores the work of the Vatican Observatory...

[JTM45]

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

[charmingmissc]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

i agree totally.

[stonedape]

TBH I thought David was dead weight, but if he's legitimately pissing off Christians I say keep him in!

Before throwing stones at David for his newagejunkie interpretation of Christianity, note that all Christians today over/underemphasis certain verses, take different ones literally, see different parts as archaic, or dont read the thing at all. Catholics especially have no business getting defensive with their popes, saints, and other arbitrary rules. As far as I'm concerned, David's group emphasizes the happy parts and omits the cruel, and I'm ultimately more OK with that situation than the inverse.

Even though I think all religion is rubbish. And not taking the book you claim to be the inherent word of God 100% literally is intellectually dishonest.

/rant

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

You could not be more wrong and so far off the mark. Not even close!
Not even close!

Almost EVERY war in human history is over the same thing - land.
Land and the resources in the land.
It is nearly EVERY WAR in the history of mankind.

Who do you think you are just making up totally false history like that and then trying to convince people of such a thing?

but if he's legitimately pissing off Christians I say keep him in!

Oh that is nice of you. I bet you go around telling people you are fair to minorities and don't believe in hating different groups,
yet,
you are delighted to see this group get shamed and pissed on. Really good!

As far as I'm concerned, David's group emphasizes the happy parts and omits the cruel,

No, David's group emphasizes being high out of their minds, being in completely bewildered useless mental states, being so zoned out they can't drive or help their children and being so drunk they embarrass themselves as well as family and friends.

[stonedape]

I don't see how David "getting high on Jesus" is any different than pentecostals speaking in tongues, or being zoned for months is any different than being a priest who sits in the same building reading the same book their entire life without raising a family or making other friends in the first place. I just don't see how you can be so judgmental when it comes this variation of Christianity when there are already so many wacky versions out there.

The random ad hominem about minorities and taking everything SUPER. PERSONALLY. is not necessary. I think him pissing off Christians is interesting because anyone pissing off the audience is interesting, especially from a religious angle, because reality tv never goes there.

btw: christians aren't a minority in the first place. You're the largest religion in the world..it's time to get over the persecution complex.

[Saph]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

yeah! Agreed

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

yeah! Agreed

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.

or being zoned for months is any different than being a priest who sits in the same building reading the same book their entire life without raising a family or making other friends in the first place.

Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.




Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?

wow just wow a religious nut pursuing another religious nut around the internet for years on end and then having the nerve to call other people that have already worked out that religion is bullshit incapable.
you couldnt script this its fucking gold pure gold i cant wait to show these screencaps to people.
i know devout christians that will hate this nobber never mind anyone else

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

wow just wow a religious nut pursuing ...

Shhhhhh.... stop interupting. Just 'shushhhhh'.
thx

[Saph]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.

Nice

have a read of this, http://justsaynotoreligion.com/religious-wars/ Its all about religious wars

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

Nice

have a read of this, http://justsaynotoreligion.com/religious-wars/ Its all about religious wars

Yes I did read it.
DID YOU?
What in that article changes anything here?
Explain?

Since you don't know what you are doing or why let me just assure you that any historian can tell you 90% of wars in human history are over land.
Really its more.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?

Maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to accept massive similarities between things in life because you're emotionally invested in one side of the same coin? And thanks for tacit admission that priests dont marry or have families, which is equally as different and unbiblical as anything David and his group could come up with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by stonedape

Maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to accept massive similarities between things in life because you're emotionally invested in one side of the same coin? And thanks for tacit admission that priests dont marry or have families, which is equally as different and unbiblical as anything David and his group could come up with.

no

its you

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by stonedape

And thanks for tacit admission that priests dont marry or have families, which is equally as different and unbiblical as anything David and his group could come up with.

It is a 'tacit admission' when I don't mention the one thing you did not get totally wrong. Interesting.

A lot of people don't know this but plenty of priests are from families and some even had families of their own before becoming priests and some do after they leave the priesthood.
Some are single men their entire lives like some men who never joined a priesthood.
It is hard to believe but plenty of people outside of priests actually stay single their whole lives.

Having said that and showing its 'normal' and 'typical' in life I would also point out it is definitely not 'unbiblical'.
They will often point to St. Paul who did mention his advantage in being single and felt bad for the others with families.
Now.. this is not saying it is 'mandatory' either but it is definitely not 'unbiblical'.
There are other examples and obviously Jesus remained single and that was typical of the OT prophets - many of whom were single men.

'unbiblical' (a strange word) but implies something for which there is no precedent or example or teaching for in the Bible.
David specializes in this!
The very point here is that David and his group believe they receive special knowledge from outside the Bible.
Even if there is teachings in the Bible encouraging 'sober-mindedness' they will believe they have received a special exception permitting them to be in drunken spirits.

But getting this a little bit more on topic I have to say this is something BB is obviously infamous for.
- people want a homosexual in the house? BB finds an absolutely flaming bitch to flounce around being a drama queen and boasting of 'cruising'.
- people want to see some black people and get the most outrageous and worst stereotypical street thug hustlers prone to violence and contempt.
- people want to know when some muslim youth will be included and get the worst possible example of a degenerate ex-muslim party fool.

All this does is show up what happened when people started demanding we see some Christian people in the mix.
Sure, we can do that - find a controversial fringe movement that is known to be condemned by the vast majority of Christians and cast their most annoying 'Minister'.

All I'm doing is calling it out.
I did this with the 'flaming gays' the 'thug blacks' and the 'not-muslim muslims'.