[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Claymores

No Ben is the root cause - he discussed one of his DR Nominations.

short, sweet, and correct.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Alpertinator

So it is Shabbys' fault. She pulled a Govan. She decided to tell other people with malicious intent - she did it as a "fuc- k you" to Ben. Also she isn't all that cool with Sunshine right now. She told with malicious intent.

Ben was the source. He was naive and stupidly told Shabby. He shouldn't have. Unfortunatley the tree task made Ben think that he's cool with Shabby now. So ben was just played, fuc- ked over, double crossed.

Shabby is to blame.

i agree he WAS naive and too trusting ,but why isnt Shabby getting SOME of the blame? and still my argument is ,Ben was not the only one who nominated Sunshine ,there was 10 of them ,and the ones doing most of the mouthing voted for her too

[Alpertinator]

Yeah, Ben was the source. You're right.

But BB might not have done anything if Shabby didn't react the way she did. You are right though yeah.

What I meant to say, is that Shabby is the person who should be subjected to hostility, because Ben just made an innocent mistake, whereas Shabby took advantage of that and used it maliciously.

You are right though, Ben was the root cause and thus is perhaps the reason for the punishment.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

i agree he WAS naive and too trusting ,but why isnt Shabby getting SOME of the blame? and still my argument is ,Ben was not the only one who nominated Sunshine ,there was 10 of them ,and the ones doing most of the mouthing voted for her too

Who voted who is a side issue which caused a ruction.

The root cause of the budget loss was Ben talking one of his nominations to Shabby

[starry]

Endemol are making it the Shabby and Ben Show again, I'm getting sick of it really.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

i agree he WAS naive and too trusting ,but why isnt Shabby getting SOME of the blame? and still my argument is ,Ben was not the only one who nominated Sunshine ,there was 10 of them ,and the ones doing most of the mouthing voted for her too

hell, hate on shabby all you want, i couldnt care lol. Im not here to defend her.

I have answered the second part of your question repeatedly though?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Alpertinator

Yeah, Ben was the source. You're right.

But BB might not have done anything if Shabby didn't react the way she did. You are right though yeah.

What I meant to say, is that Shabby is the person who should be subjected to hostility, because Ben just made an innocent mistake, whereas Shabby took advantage of that and used it maliciously.

You are right though, Ben was the root cause and thus is perhaps the reason for the punishment.

Ben is the soft target They are scared of shabby making them look total tw@ts

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Alpertinator

Yeah, Ben was the source. You're right.

But BB might not have done anything if Shabby didn't react the way she did. You are right though yeah.

What I meant to say, is that Shabby is the person who should be subjected to hostility, because Ben just made an innocent mistake, whereas Shabby took advantage of that and used it maliciously.

You are right though, Ben was the root cause and thus is perhaps the reason for the punishment.

Cheers for taking my point - I can see your's too