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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Here is a very early single. Jim's 2nd from 1981. Hope you enjoy.

That's incredible. Totally surpassed expectations.

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[ange7]

"The more it bugs the middle-aged, the better it probably is."
lol .... all these links are retro....the "middle-aged" made this stuff.
Nintendo generation needs to get creative instead of making 70's and 80's music.

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Originally Posted by ange7

"The more it bugs the middle-aged, the better it probably is."
lol .... all these links are retro....the "middle-aged" made this stuff.
Nintendo generation needs to get creative instead of making 70's and 80's music.

It was a joke. I just meant the middle-of-the-road demographic which is usually overwhelmingly older (although Take That's massive appreciation thread seems to suggest otherwise). Relax, music isn't the same as fashion.

And what do you mean by the Nintendo generation? I thought that was the 80's.

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye

It was a joke. I just meant the middle-of-the-road demographic which is usually overwhelmingly older (although Take That's massive appreciation thread seems to suggest otherwise). Relax, music isn't the same as fashion.

And what do you mean by the Nintendo generation? I thought that was the 80's.

I'm relaxed ...
"Nintendo generation" ... so there's this theory right, it's that gamers have zero creativity. Their generation can't think of "a new sound"... instead it's all retro and same-y.

The flip side of the theory goes like this.... 30 and 40 somethings now a days are still music buyers where as in past ppl that age range weren't .... so "retro" is a market for them and lazy musicians got on board.

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Originally Posted by ange7

I'm relaxed ...
"Nintendo generation" ... so there's this theory right, it's that gamers have zero creativity. Their generation can't think of "a new sound"... instead it's all retro and same-y.

Really? That in itself sounds like a relic from the 1980's and 90's when videogames were widely demonised for creating a generation of unimaginative ADD kids (with television not getting half of the same amount of stick). It doesn't matter either way. Very little electronic music was influenced by videogame sounds although the Commodore 64 is a popular source of samples . Electronic music has been around since at least the 1950's. Electronic dance music has been around since at least the early 1980's.

The flip side of the theory goes like this.... 30 and 40 somethings now a days are still music buyers where as in past ppl that age range weren't .... so "retro" is a market for them and lazy musicians got on board.

The last 50 years of popular music has been rich with stylistic variety. It seems a shame not to look back on it. I agree with your sentiment that it's not ideal to be living in the past though.

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The point about nintendo wasn't that gamer music influenced culture or modern music. It was that gaming is a passive experience where the action is brought to you ... sensory overload and all that. Less need to be creative hence the accusation that the nintendo generation "borrows" so much. The other argument makes more sense though ... the explosion of the "man child" or the "peter pan" theory of adults who don't ant to grow up. They're still buy music and they want 90's and 80's retro.
The point I'm making is for me "experimental" and "retro" are opposites. One is always looking back... the other is looking for new ways forward. ( cool so I am on topic hehe)

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And yet even a century after the introduction of atonal and avant-garde music, most of the artists I posted would sound bizarre and unwelcoming to anyone with a conventional understanding of music, who for all intents and purposes is still weaned on a 200 year old idea of what constitutes pleasant, enjoyable music.

I suppose in some respects, the likes of Wagner and Debussy sound exotic and avant-garde compared to what passes for most pop and rock music.

And then there is Schoenberg who I can't get my head around... bear in mind this is from 1912

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cool ...by retro I mean pop tunes from 60's to 08's or so. That list of composers is over my head. Modern composers who are experimental...?
arvo part is all I know. Nimen ( spelling) philip glass, Eno... all popular in there way. I mainly know them through movie soundtracks hehe. Like I said... over my head.

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oops I mean film soundtracks

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