[Hooo]

His stand up routine, which made him centre of attention he thrived in, as would most people who are self-centered.

I guess we think differently as to Ben, but it's nothing I will argue about. Each to their own opinion, I do appreciate you explaining your point more thoroughly also Kazanne.

Also, I don't mind Ben changing my mind, I don't dislike someone all the time. If he does something which I find decent I will not be afraid to say that, but I had to post about it after watching bits and pieces of his 5 hour Live feed rant about Mario.. Oh it's lucky I'm enduring enough.

[bbfan1991]

I do like Ben, he seems a nice guy but then I see that there can be an unpleasant side which fair enough we all have.. the problem I have is that every time he digs himself into a right hole when he is involved in arguments etc and makes things worse for himself.

[Hooo]

Originally Posted by stonedape

I will never understand how people became so obsessed with moralizing on such an inherently immoral show. He's the lead character, and he's earned it. If you want to root for someone good at heart go watch BB9. It's riveting .

It's really quite easy to relate your morals with any given situation. Whether it be real life or as you say an immoral show.

Also, all I root for are people whom I find make the show entertaining for me. That is not Ben but I find JJ easy to relate to.

I'm sorry if that upsets you to such an extent that you want me to watch BB9 again, but like I say, I didn't ask the question for an argument and that's more what you are leading towards with your comments.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by camertone

Totally agree with ya!! I dislike Ben and Dave the most. People who like Ben are certainly delusional. Ben looks down on his housemates, thinks he is better than them, he often insults them and even their families, always points out their flaws and forgets his own. Ben is so vain, selfish, never gets his hands dirty, has no common sense about life, politically uneducated, has no ability to apologize, thinks he's never wrong, and when he does apologize, there's no sincerity, he is fake, and he never completes tasks, is full of complaints and excuses. Ben steals food and is lazy, spoiled, is a pathetic excuse for a man. He is not loyal and has no backbone. And all these are facts and have already been proven.

You may think because we do not agree with you we are delusional,that is your opinion,my opinion of people who call people that because they do not agree is really not postable.

[Livia]

I think Ben is highly amusing. His quotes thread is hilarious. He's funny without him really being aware that he's being funny. He has a sense of a bygone era about him that I find entertaining in a Noel Coward-esque/An England Gone Forever kind of way. I can imagine him in a dinner suit, tinkling on a piano, sipping a Gin and It at the Ritz, being terribly amusing while air raid sirens wail outside. I kind of admire his "I don't want to do it, so I'm not going to do it" attitude (although if I worked with Ben - and unfortunately for me I do mix with people like him in my job - I'd probably want to choke him).

I can see why some people don't like him, and I can see that he has traits that are neither admirable nor positive... but I like him despite them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by camertone

Totally agree with ya!! I dislike Ben and Dave the most. People who like Ben are certainly delusional. Ben looks down on his housemates, thinks he is better than them, he often insults them and even their families, always points out their flaws and forgets his own. Ben is so vain, selfish, never gets his hands dirty, has no common sense about life, politically uneducated, has no ability to apologize, thinks he's never wrong, and when he does apologize, there's no sincerity, he is fake, and he never completes tasks, is full of complaints and excuses. Ben steals food and is lazy, spoiled, is a pathetic excuse for a man. He is not loyal and has no backbone. And all these are facts and have already been proven.

Total tosh.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Hooo

His stand up routine, which made him centre of attention he thrived in, as would most people who are self-centered.

I guess we think differently as to Ben, but it's nothing I will argue about. Each to their own opinion, I do appreciate you explaining your point more thoroughly also Kazanne.

Also, I don't mind Ben changing my mind, I don't dislike someone all the time. If he does something which I find decent I will not be afraid to say that, but I had to post about it after watching bits and pieces of his 5 hour Live feed rant about Mario.. Oh it's lucky I'm enduring enough.

I am quite happy to debate with open minded sensible people,Oh and by the way my brother is a fireman,it's a tough job,good on you.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by Hooo

It's really quite easy to relate your morals with any given situation. Whether it be real life or as you say an immoral show.

Also, all I root for are people whom I find make the show entertaining for me. That is not Ben but I find JJ easy to relate to.

I'm sorry if that upsets you to such an extent that you want me to watch BB9 again, but like I say, I didn't ask the question for an argument and that's more what you are leading towards with your comments.

I know it's easy to relate your morals with given situations, it's just really stupid on a show where the primary purpose is entertaining people to become popular and win a lot of money, and the secondary purpose is nominating people behind their backs and assisting them in losing said money.

As you (contradictorily) say, you only root for people who are entertaining. Then you claim Ben isn't (compared to WHO?) and JJ is relatable (what this has to do with entertainment, no one knows). The moralizing doesn't upset me, I just don't understand why it's so popular to do, and every time a "good" person wins BB we come to accept it was the wrong decision, every time a "bad" person goes out early we come to accept it was the wrong decision. And we just can't stop ourselves from doing it over and over. It's the central phenomenon of BB.

[starry]

I don't like him really. The producers are trying to build him up into the cult figure of the series, but he is no Marcus and never could be.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by starry

I don't like him really. The producers are trying to build him up into the cult figure of the series, but he is no Marcus and never could be.

People said the same crap about Marcus not being a legend compared to X last series...always takes a year for you folks to catch on.

[erchie]

Originally Posted by InOne

Can't stand Ben, all whispers and bitching.

seconded !

evrey time he comes on i wanna kick my tv !

think he is my most hated hm ever !

get him oot !

[-Sue-]

well said OP great post

[lynz]

Originally Posted by Hooo

Now, I watch Live Feed and the highlights show and understand BB do edit out alot... But I don't understand what all the love for Ben is about..

An example being today, he spent roughly 5 hours bitching about Mario to anybody who would listen, he repeated his case about an apple and not sharing more times than I care to count, however he then hypocritically says JJ has problems for going on and on and on... Err, k..

I've also always been a firm believer of team work, and being a Fireman I am sure you can see why. I know if Ben was in our ranks he would say "Oh looks a bit hot in there, might singe a hair.."

Now, BB is a gameshow, you watch it to entertain you and the contract states (Don't quote me) that you will participate in tasks etc, the fact he hardly ever does when it doesn't suit him just shows a major flaw in an essential skill.

Now please, tell me that you love Ben as he is an individual and stands up for what he feels is right, but if you were in that house and you had to eat Lentils and have cold water because Ben doesn't regard others welfare above his own (Selfish is the term you would call anybody else who does this) you would not put up with it..

As I see it, he is a terrible housemate and although it may seem like he is sticking it to the man (BB) ultimately all I see is a selfish, lying, manipulative man.

Not once did I mention he was posh, so the anti discriminating group can just lay off that one for a minute..

If I have missed something then please, please tell me.. I do not know for the life of me why anybody would like Ben.

This is a good post for all of those anti Ben who claim that he gets biased edits because he is BB's favourite. Now in spite of all of these bad edits we have thoroughly enjoyed watching and listening to him, we love his bumbling nature and his sharp wit, we love his individuality and we have been kept entertained by him that is why we love him. We don't mind if no one understands why we like him - just accept it and you go ahead and support who you wish to support.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Hooo

Now, I watch Live Feed and the highlights show and understand BB do edit out alot... But I don't understand what all the love for Ben is about..

An example being today, he spent roughly 5 hours bitching about Mario to anybody who would listen, he repeated his case about an apple and not sharing more times than I care to count, however he then hypocritically says JJ has problems for going on and on and on... Err, k..

I've also always been a firm believer of team work, and being a Fireman I am sure you can see why. I know if Ben was in our ranks he would say "Oh looks a bit hot in there, might singe a hair.."

Now, BB is a gameshow, you watch it to entertain you and the contract states (Don't quote me) that you will participate in tasks etc, the fact he hardly ever does when it doesn't suit him just shows a major flaw in an essential skill.

Now please, tell me that you love Ben as he is an individual and stands up for what he feels is right, but if you were in that house and you had to eat Lentils and have cold water because Ben doesn't regard others welfare above his own (Selfish is the term you would call anybody else who does this) you would not put up with it..

As I see it, he is a terrible housemate and although it may seem like he is sticking it to the man (BB) ultimately all I see is a selfish, lying, manipulative man.

Not once did I mention he was posh, so the anti discriminating group can just lay off that one for a minute..

If I have missed something then please, please tell me.. I do not know for the life of me why anybody would like Ben.

Exactly the support for him baffles me too, hes occasionally witty but mostly displays quite repulsive characteristics. I dont see what hes done thats so entertaining either...confusing world we live in, no wonder we're in such a mess!

[lynz]

LOL

[Hooo]

One more question..

Is the support overall bigger for Ben or JJ?

This can be opinion and you don't have to go through hundreds of polls to tell me the most accurate odds as the highlight show public whom don't fill in these polls are the biggest majority.

I'm just wondering if the plain highlights show has shone light better on JJ or Ben?

[lynz]

Originally Posted by kazanne

You may think because we do not agree with you we are delusional,that is your opinion,my opinion of people who call people that because they do not agree is really not postable.

I agree and now rather than replying to these posts I am reporting them. I hate doing this but unfortunately there are far to many posters being extremely insulting to FMs now and it is time they were removed from the forum.

[Hooo]

Originally Posted by lynz

I agree and now rather than replying to these posts I am reporting them. I hate doing this but unfortunately there are far to many posters being extremely insulting to FMs now and it is time they were removed from the forum.

It was not the intent of the OP, I apologise that it led to anything like this. I made sure not to insult Ben supporters as like I say opinions belong to people and if we ask for them, we should respect them.

[lynz]

Originally Posted by Hooo

One thing that really annoyed me was when John was talking to somebody else, Ben was sitting next to Josie and whispered something into her ear, can't remember exactly what, but it was

"Oh John he is so something or other.."

It's a snide comment to make, before that point obviously I was disappointed in his lack of team work, something I find essential on this show particularly regarding shopping budgets etc..

Appreciate the people that do respond, reason I thought there was so much Ben love was because of Digital Spy.. I'm not prepared to pay to use a Forum, not because I'm tight but because it's a tad silly.

Anyway, on there everyone talks like Ben in silly threads telling other Ben fans to save their money on saving Ben in a week or two..

Like.. -.-

I don't pay to post on the Digital Spy forum and neither do I talk like Ben in silly threads, so sorry you seem to have a misconception about "everyone". However we Ben fans do enjoy a lot of good laughs and am sure we will all try to save Ben whenever he is nominated

[zotec]

Ben used to talk about Jovan going around dripping poison in HMs ears and hes just as bad. Mario stuck up for him at first when he was involved in arguments when no-one else did and now he tells people that he never asked him to-RUBBISH.He always said "will you come in with me and back me up " against anyone that had been arguing with him.I dont know exactly when the tide turned and they all suddenly found him funny.Its a bit like the emperors new clothes but JJ said the other night that he thought him funny but more in an incredulous way,like its so unbelievably bad the things he says and does you laugh in a "I dont believe this" sort of way.He uses people emotionally or physically for selfish gain.Mario moved away and made other freindships sensibly but Dave is still the lap-dog.He moved into Corins bed last night and was whispering what they should do together to wind up HMs.I hope she doesnt fall into the trap maybe thinking her non-personality will take off by being his new ally.

[rusticgal]

Hoo... welcome to the forum.
I agree with your observations...I liked Ben at first but he and his selfish ways are starting to grate on me now.He is spoilt and behaves like a spoilt child.He wont do anything unless he wants to do it.... he will stitch up his mates like he put Dave up to do his punishment for him.As Dave said...if thats what you do to your friends I wouldnt like to be your enemy.When Josie suggested whoever won should give Steve 30,000 towards a new leg.Although it was meant well it put people in a difficult position....anyway next we here Ben of all people saying "well I have to think of my family"!!... I suppose I shouldnt judge...but of all the HM's I would have thought money would not be a great need in his family..
I have gone off him for his selfishness...and he is the biggest bitch in the house...

[Hooo]

Thanks rsuticgal.

I agree partly with the Steve thing. It's not an obligation to share the money, personally I would but he did say he didn't refuse but would have liked to be consulted about it.

Again, I would have agreed straight away but I don't blame Ben for not doing.

Being selfish he is indeed, and where I look at it from is, if I was his friend... How long would that last friendship last..

[JHB]

He's just a knob head .