[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by spitfire

Is that what Ben said,really?

Yes.

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Yes.

I wonder if the holocaust happened in his smug little world.

[Chels]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

OMG is that what was said???? OMFG...good man Steve respect where its due

Originally Posted by spitfire

Is that what Ben said,really?

Exactly what he said. ****ing bellend.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Chels

Exactly what he said. ****ing bellend.

unbeliveable....(ive finally caught up with the real LF - cant help giggle a bit about them having a serious topic debate/discussion with Dave & Nathan dressed as robots)

Ben is finally getting what he deserves from the HM's I truly believe the HMs realise Ben has gone too far this time..and dishing some home truths excellent and about time!

[Just Do It]

He's entitled to his opinion. People who can't handle debate just shout and abuse. Steve's a ****ing moron.

[joeysteele]

Steve has shown he is a bigot with a very narrow train of thought and an even wierder idea of democracy,totally out of order and wrong, Ben was 100% right and Steve presents a very wprrying thought of what soldiers thinking is if more soldiers think as wrong as he clearly does, get him out.

[CaudleHalbard]

Steve is typical cannon fodder, I'm afraid. Not too much between the ears!

And like the rest of them he has no real idea of why wars and counter-insurgency operations (mostly utterly pointless) are carried out.Those who want to rule the world rely on the likes of Steve to unthinkingly carry out orders.

Ben would never fit in to the armed forces!

[Mystic Mock]

steve can just piss off.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Steve is typical cannon fodder, I'm afraid. Not too much between the ears!

And like the rest of them he has no real idea of why wars and counter-insurgency operations (mostly utterly pointless) are carried out.Those who want to rule the world rely on the likes of Steve to unthinkingly carry out orders.

Ben would never fit in to the armed forces!

What a load of tosh - that just contributes in perpetuating stereotypes! People like you should thank God there are men and women who are prepared to unquestionably follow orders, and risk their necks in the process, as you probably wouldn't even be here, nevermind on the net stating your opinions - it is thanks to men like Steve you have such freedoms. Anyone referring to such men as 'cannon fodder' - whether it be higer ranking military personnel, politicians or members of the public - should be ashamed of themselves - talk about a lack of appreciation, and therefore understanding of what they do - and how we all benefit from that.

How the hell would you know if Steve, or any other soldier, understands why wars etc are carried out - how patronising. Like any other sector of society - some are brighter than others - and what they certainly all do have is guts and the ability to commit to a very demanding job, physically and psychologically - to the benefit of society in general - which happens to be us! Questioning orders doesn't make someone intelligent, to do so could be down to cowardice or belligerence. On the other hand - following orders and respecting the judgement of senior staff giving those orders is crucial in war situations otherwise the army simply couldn't function and many more lives would be lost. Those joining the forces usually have the intelligence to understand that!

And, much as I quite like ben, no - he would not fit in - as he is not a team player and is far too lazy!

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Chels

Anyone who says Hitler should have been left be and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war is a complete ****ing prick IMO. I can't believe he said that, no wonder Steve jumped down his throat!

If that is what was said then the issue isnt whether he has a right to comment due to not being to war or a politician, its more to do with him talking sh1te.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by Chels

Anyone who says Hitler should have been left be and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war is a complete ****ing prick IMO. I can't believe he said that, no wonder Steve jumped down his throat!

I like Ben but if that's what he said then Steve was right

[-Sue-]

damn if that is what was really said..... OMFG...

[rusticgal]

...Bens frightened national service might come back....can you imagine if he had to do it!!!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...Bens frightened national service might come back....can you imagine if he had to do it!!!

Fortunately he's too old!

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Fortunately he's too old!

Dad's Army....he would make a good Sgt Wilson.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Dad's Army....he would make a good Sgt Wilson.

Good call!

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Dad's Army....he would make a good Sgt Wilson.

Monty Python : Dad's *****

[Amhuinn]

Hitler is a very contentious topic and if Ben said what he did, then he must have known that he would get a pretty explosive reaction. I'm sorry, but he can't be that naive. It is one of those things that people do tend to have a very strong and immediate reaction to. Perhaps they are misunderstanding him, but I think most people would, in all honesty.

I haven't heard what Ben has said (and there's no chance the whole thing will make the highlights within context), so I wouldn't like to judge him entirely from hearsay. He probably has some valid points, but I disagree that Britain should not have become involved in World War II. I think that enough people turned a blind eye before becoming involved as it is.

Ben must have wanted a reaction. He has slipped down in my estimations now and I did really like him.

[Julie10]

People who think they talk the talk don't realise that they too can come across as boring. Ben loves to constantly call people boring but hes boring himself if he wants to talk about politics he should just go into politics. But no that would be too hard for lazy self rightious me me me Benny!

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Julie10

People who think they talk the talk don't realise that they too can come across as boring. Ben loves to constantly call people boring but hes boring himself if he wants to talk about politics he should just go into politics. But no that would be too hard for lazy self rightious me me me Benny!

exactly he is so selfish and self involved that he only thinks his opinions & thoughts matter..he seems oblivious to the fact most of what spouts out of his mouth is vile...arrogant comments

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Julie10

People who think they talk the talk don't realise that they too can come across as boring. Ben loves to constantly call people boring but hes boring himself if he wants to talk about politics he should just go into politics. But no that would be too hard for lazy self rightious me me me Benny!

Well said Julie. He is a 30 who talks like a 50 year old but acts like a 15 year old. Ergo - He is a twat.

[-Sue-]

OH no I dont want to watch ife.. I want to watch the nest!

[Marzy]

Steve is a bitter little toad who has a chip on his shoulder. He was a yob before he joined the army and dislikes Ben because he is a toff.

[crit]

Originally Posted by Marzy

Steve is a bitter little toad who has a chip on his shoulder. He was a yob before he joined the army and dislikes Ben because he is a toff.

I think youre right. I saw a rather nastier side of Saint Steve the other evening in the tent making fiasco. Im convinced he has the hots for Corin and when he saw she was upset he did the alpha male bit, not pretty.

Bens opinions about what he thought the best way for Britain to have proceeded to deal with hitler were perfectly valid, in hindsight he might have a point, things might have been better for the UK had we kept out of it. Who knows, its his opinion and doubtless hes being pilloried for voicing it.

I think Saint Steve is a closet bully, will be interesting to watch what happens. Hes very boring, I know he cant get up and dance the hoochie coochie but he still has a mind and personality he could use...but hed rather just shout and gang up on people.

[Frank E]

"You've got no right to say that. Who are you? You're not an MP."

My MP has considerably less mobility than Steve requiring full time use of a wheelchair yet manages to represent her constituency.

I would listen to her on the history of WW2, not because she is an MP not just because she is a person, but because she has studied the subject matter at an advanced level, obtaining a degree in History and Politics.