[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by spitfire

It's nice to know that you appreciate the sacrifice many made,for you!

why you say this at me? ask me to clarify next time

I do appreciate the sacrifice many made for me and everyone.

But I think avoiding war at all cost is the best option if possible.

But avoiding WWII was not possible, so we went to war, which I agree with.

[Claymores]

And Ben is back on it AGAIN on LF - suggesting people like Goebels weren't truly Nazis at heart and slagging off Dave's view!

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

on a serious note, I would like to ask the people who are knowledgable about WWII this

We now know Iraq and Afghanistan was not about WMDS or any other reason the goverment said, but there was and is some other motive for these wars. I am not gonna speculate but there are plenty of theories from various people.

My question is, was there some sinister motive behind WWII? Obviously Hitler and his evil is sinister enough, but I mean, is there a lot more to WWII than people know about.

on a lighter note, who would have thought so many BB fans on a BB forum would be so knowledgable about WWII

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i think he sometimes says things just for the sake of being controversial

[MojoNixon]

Basically Ben says : If UK were nicer to Germany, they would have not invade Poland, France, Norway (killing Jews, Jehovas and so on)? He is out of his mind.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

God even if uk were nice to Germany they were stil lgoing to invade other countries

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

God even if uk were nice to Germany they were stil lgoing to invade other countries

Exactly! Ben is stupid. And after Nazis would have conquer Europe, UK would have leaved alone?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

this reminds me of those t shirts peter had made for lois when she was running for mayor

vote for lois.
unless your queer.
no wait,
even if your queer.
no jews though.
okay jews.

[King Gizzard]

Misleading title..

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Nate

Misleading title..

Not at all. Hitler would have done same things, no matter if UK did have a different foreign policy. Possibility is that Ben is a complete moron, but i doubt that.

[skkc16]

okay that title is totally misleading he didn't say he supported the nazis jesus haters stop tryna drag him down he has his opinion and its not that the nazis were right or anything like that smh

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by skkc16

okay that title is totally misleading he didn't say he supported the nazis jesus haters stop tryna drag him down he has his opinion and its not that the nazis were right or anything like that smh

No, "different foreign policy" he said. And can you explain what that is?

[Amhuinn]

Ben airs controversial points of view to get a reaction out of people. If they are challenging him, then he is getting what he wants.

If Big Brother were to air this uncut, then Ben might be in trouble. But they won't, so he is safe.

[skkc16]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

No, "different foreign policy" he said. And can you explain what that is?

no idea what it is lol

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

No, "different foreign policy" he said. And can you explain what that is?

maybe Ben was talking about events before WWII.
Once I see the footage I will know myself.
I would be very surprised if Ben was saying we should have not gone to war with Germany and was defending Nazis, like your gutter press headline made out

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

maybe Ben was talking about events before WWII.
Once I see the footage I will know myself.
I would be very surprised if Ben was saying we should have not gone to war with Germany and was defending Nazis, like your gutter press headline made out

No. Ben said = we should have not gone to war with Germany
For me, that is defending nazies

You were talking about "save our money" and all that BS.

Originally Posted by kazanne

that is nearer the truth than the whole thread!lol

That it is.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

No. Ben said = we should have not gone to war with Germany
For me, that is defending nazies

You were talking about "save our money" and all that BS.



That it is.

No, you were assuming I was talking about "save our money"

I said "did Ben say we should stop having wars to fund banks"

There is a big difference.

[Kazanne]

MojoNixon,don't mess with peoples posts.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

No, "different foreign policy" he said. And can you explain what that is?

Well perhaps if he wasn't being shouted down and people did him the courtesy of listening to what he had to say, we would have had his views on that.

Has everyone forgotten one crucial fact and that is that Ben is JEWISH - in fact he is the only Jewish contestant in the house. Far from defending Hitler I got the impression he was trying to say that there were other ways Britain could have handled Hitler. Revisionists would say that in 1940 when Britain's back was to the wall the Germans offered a number of peace deals and guarantees to Britain and her empire but they were refused. America was still pursing an isolationist policy and the Russians had a non-aggression pact at that time with the Germans.

Had Britain decided to engage in talks with the Germans, who knows whether the genocide that followed could have been averted by diplomatic intervention. We shall never know because by then Churchill was PM and was intent on pursuing the war, rejecting any peace talks. It is no coincidence that when the war was over, the voters overwhelmingly voted him out of office as he was seen as a "war monger".

So FFS give Ben a break. He is a Jew and I guarantee he does not condone the genocide that was inflicted on the Jewish people during Hitler's regime; I believe he was trying to say that Britain had other options on the table in 1940 other than all out war, and had these other options been explored, who knows how the course of the war would have gone?

[lynz]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well perhaps if he wasn't being shouted down and people did him the courtesy of listening to what he had to say, we would have had his views on that.

Has everyone forgotten one crucial fact and that is that Ben is JEWISH - in fact he is the only Jewish contestant in the house. Far from defending Hitler I got the impression he was trying to say that there were other ways Britain could have handled Hitler. Revisionists would say that in 1940 when Britain's back was to the wall the Germans offered a number of peace deals and guarantees to Britain and her empire but they were refused. America was still pursing an isolationist policy and the Russians had a non-aggression pact at that time with the Germans.

Had Britain decided to engage in talks with the Germans, who knows whether the genocide that followed could have been averted by diplomatic intervention. We shall never know because by then Churchill was PM and was intent on pursuing the war, rejecting any peace talks. It is no coincidence that when the war was over, the voters overwhelmingly voted him out of office as he was seen as a "war monger".

So FFS give Ben a break. He is a Jew and I guarantee he does not condone the genocide that was inflicted on the Jewish people during Hitler's regime; I believe he was trying to say that Britain had other options on the table in 1940 other than all out war, and had these other options been explored, who knows how the course of the war would have gone?

Excellent post!

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by angus58

Had Britain decided to engage in talks with the Germans, who knows whether the genocide that followed could have been averted by diplomatic intervention. We shall never know because by then Churchill was PM and was intent on pursuing the war, rejecting any peace talks. It is no coincidence that when the war was over, the voters overwhelmingly voted him out of office as he was seen as a "war monger".

Im sorry but that is not an exellent post due to the bit i have quoted.

People forget that the atrocities as you put it had already started long before Germany invaded Poland ( and subsequently our involvement), and things like kristallnacht, the anti-Jewish pogrom in Nazi Germany and Austria from the 9th until the 10th November 1938, were just a sign of Hitlers plan and indoctrines with regards his views on the Aryan Races and the inferior Jewish and Slav races.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Im sorry but that is not an exellent post due to the bit i have quoted.

People forget that the atrocities as you put it had already started long before Germany invaded Poland ( and subsequently our involvement), and things like kristallnacht, the anti-Jewish pogrom in Nazi Germany and Austria from the 9th until the 10th November 1938, were just a sign of Hitlers plan and indoctrines with regards his views on the Aryan Races and the inferior Jewish and Slav races.

You are correct that the precursors of what was to come were there for anyone with eyes to see long before the war started, and Chamberlain's foreign policy of appeasement and his signing of the Munich Agreement in 1938 were fundamental errors of judgment which strengthened Hitler's hand and his belief that Britain would not intervene if they invaded Poland and continued their aggressive occupation of neighbouring countries. However, there was still a good chance that if Britain had engaged in diplomatic talks with Hitler in 1940 the worst of the atrocities may have been averted.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Im sorry but that is not an exellent post due to the bit i have quoted.

People forget that the atrocities as you put it had already started long before Germany invaded Poland ( and subsequently our involvement), and things like kristallnacht, the anti-Jewish pogrom in Nazi Germany and Austria from the 9th until the 10th November 1938, were just a sign of Hitlers plan and indoctrines with regards his views on the Aryan Races and the inferior Jewish and Slav races.

It also has to be said that it was people of Ben's class who allowed the rise of the nazis to occur. After the Germans were beaten in the 1st world war. The Rhineland was controlled by the allies. They allowed Hitler to walk in, take the place back and then begin mass production of armaments. One of the few voices warning the British Government to do something about this was Churchill.

It was the inaction of the rulling classes in France and Britain that allowed Hitler to prepare for war. Right up to the early 30's, Hitler could have been easily defeated. The ruling classes in Britain, France and even Germany allowed Hitler to gain strength because they all thought he could be controlled by them. Big ****in mistake. So Ben and people of his class were partly responsible because of their narrow minded and short sighted views, which then brought the the whole of Europe to into appalling violence and genocide.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well perhaps if he wasn't being shouted down and people did him the courtesy of listening to what he had to say, we would have had his views on that.

Has everyone forgotten one crucial fact and that is that Ben is JEWISH - in fact he is the only Jewish contestant in the house. Far from defending Hitler I got the impression he was trying to say that there were other ways Britain could have handled Hitler. Revisionists would say that in 1940 when Britain's back was to the wall the Germans offered a number of peace deals and guarantees to Britain and her empire but they were refused. America was still pursing an isolationist policy and the Russians had a non-aggression pact at that time with the Germans.

Had Britain decided to engage in talks with the Germans, who knows whether the genocide that followed could have been averted by diplomatic intervention. We shall never know because by then Churchill was PM and was intent on pursuing the war, rejecting any peace talks. It is no coincidence that when the war was over, the voters overwhelmingly voted him out of office as he was seen as a "war monger".

So FFS give Ben a break. He is a Jew and I guarantee he does not condone the genocide that was inflicted on the Jewish people during Hitler's regime; I believe he was trying to say that Britain had other options on the table in 1940 other than all out war, and had these other options been explored, who knows how the course of the war would have gone?

Good post Angus. Balanced and informed.

Furthermore, at the end of the war, the allies decided it would do Europe no good to keep Germany in rags, so we rebuilt their country at our own expense. We had borrowed an enormous amount of money from the USA in order to be able to afford to fight a war at all, and we only finished paying that war loan back in December 2006. Germany is now a major manufacturer and economic power, while we're... well, a bit wobbley economically and we produce nothing. In fact we've sold off most of our family jewels too; Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Land Rover... they're all German now.

I don't disrespect the valour of the generation that pulled us through the war, nor the sacrifices they made. I respect absolutely that we had to do something, but with the benefit of hindsight I think we would have been in a much better situation now had we been able to negotiate a peace instead of fighting for it.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Livia

Good post Angus. Balanced and informed.

Furthermore, at the end of the war, the allies decided it would do Europe no good to keep Germany in rags, so we rebuilt their country at our own expense. We had borrowed an enormous amount of money from the USA in order to be able to afford to fight a war at all, and we only finished paying that war loan back in December 2006. Germany is now a major manufacturer and economic power, while we're... well, a bit wobbley economically and we produce nothing. In fact we've sold off most of our family jewels too; Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Land Rover... they're all German now.

While I don't disrespect the valour of the generation that pulled us through the war, nor the sacrifices they made. I respect absolutely that we had to do something, but with the benefit of hindsight I think we would have been in a much better situation now had we been able to negotiate a peace instead of fighting for it.

Read my post above and go and research what Hitlers plans were. There was no way in hell any appeasement was going to stop him. That is not hindsight....thats historical fact. His own indoctrines were well known to his gang from day 1 and that was their cause.