[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave is not in a cult.

yes he is, by defintion. This has been proven.

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave does not charge people for prayer, do you really think God would answer if he did?

No, he dosent actively charge, but thats not how most donations are gathered in most cults is it? I am sure it is willingly accepted from the deceived.

and you really offer up the claimed 'answering of God' as proof? can you link me any medically validated proof that he has cured anyone at all ever?

if not, where is the evidence that God does indeed answer?

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave earns his living as a full time minister. This entails speaking at various churches and conferences. This is largely self financed, his ministry does recieve some support from people that want to send him money.

Self financed how? from the sale of DVDs and the like to the deceived? From the coffers of other cults that have gatherd funds from their own deceived?

and as for accepting donations, yes, I am sure he does.

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave does not claim that he can cure diseases, he claims God can, this is in line with Christian scripture.

But Dave claims he can channel the power of God to heal? This is just careful word play.


These are your 'facts'? Really?

[fingers]

Erm.... which seminary did he attend and where and when was he ordained as a MINISTER?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

Erm.... which seminary did he attend and where and when was he ordained as a MINISTER?

Desperado!

[coolestrock]

I dont like dave or anything he has to say,,,the fraudster

[vesavius]

I will repeat here for clarity, seeing as a new thread was made in an effort to shift the conversation;

In religion and sociology, a cult is a group of people devoted to beliefs and goals which are not held by the majority of society, often religious in nature. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream.

Counterfeit religions are also skilled at focusing their members’ attention on peripheral issues. They most often appeal to their emotions by talking about love and by getting people heavily involved in church-sponsored social events, or even missionary-type activities. If their members feel good about what they are doing, it makes little difference to them what they are being taught. Such people often remain loyal to a counterfeit church no matter what. Even when some are exposed as frauds, it doesn’t keep a loyal, but ignorant, few from continuing to support them.

Among those counterfeit churches that do study the Bible, many use only a small portion of it. They constantly refer to pet scriptures that can seem to support their beliefs. Often they have pulled these verses out of context and misinterpreted them, giving a far different impression than what the Bible actually means.

Proverbs 16:25 says, “There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death” (Revised Standard Version).

[vesavius]

it's an entire 'religion' based on acid flashbacks.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by fingers

Erm.... which seminary did he attend and where and when was he ordained as a MINISTER?

Your determined to get an answer eh?

I think he might have you on ignore.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Josy

Your determined to get an answer eh?

I think he might have you on ignore.

Nah he just can't answer it, St.Dave woke up one morning and decided that God had made him a minister.

[Josy]

OT - Vesavius what is that in your avatar, i feel as if ive seen it before somewere

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Josy

OT - Vesavius what is that in your avatar, i feel as if ive seen it before somewere

It's a Skeksis from the Dark Crystal, reminded me of Corin lmao

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Josy

OT - Vesavius what is that in your avatar, i feel as if ive seen it before somewere

It's a Familiar!!! lol

[SocietyIsRuined]

He's about as religious as Jim Jones. Hide the Kool Aid from the housemates.

[fingers]

Now he has gone to the Diary Room in a panic about what Andrew said!

[Hero1]

Dave has been in that house for over a month, yet to see him fast ONCE.

Fasting is an important diet to any Christian and one that is self ordained so high, should be showing practical requires of a Christian.

Not even sure if the pig personally prays before he eats or gives thanks?

[fingers]

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

[camertone]

dave is a conman! he scams people for money, he uses religion for personal monetary gain!

he is a hypocrite and homophobic! i thank keeley for exposing what a disgusting troll he is!!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by camertone

dave is a conman! he scams people for money, he uses religion for personal monetary gain!

he is a hypocrite and homophobic! i thank keeley for exposing what a disgusting troll he is!!

I suspect Keeley is a bigger fraud than Dave - with an agenda of her own!

[fingers]

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

[paper-cut-exit]

Originally Posted by fingers

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

Possibly because it's that much of a secret that no-one even knows... not even Dave!

Oh apart from God that is... he's gotta know i would imagine

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

Plenty of your 'questions' have been answered - but you aren't listening! You are just on a witchunt!

[Mr XcX]

I just am Obsessed with FAKE housemates.

[fingers]

Would be nice to know!

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

[paper-cut-exit]

Originally Posted by fingers

Would be nice to know!

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

It's a reasonable, straight forward, and fair question imo.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

Would be nice to know!

Why the secrecy about where and WHEN St. Dave was ORDAINED a Minister of RELIGION?

Not such a difficult question, is it?

Came across this on the net! It is an American site - but shouldn't imagine things are any different here!

Q. Does a person have to be an ordained minister to start a church?

No, a person does not need to be an ordained minister prior to starting a church. The Bible doesn’t teach that only currently ordained clergy may start a church. Anyone who has been called by God into the ministry is qualified to start a church, and may thereafter be ordained through that church. Individuals who were previously ordained through a church or church denomination may start a church even if their ministerial credentials have been revoked. If you believe that you've been called by God to enter the full-time ministry but you'd like to be ordained in a new church that you start or help to start, rather than in an existing one, you may be ordained in that new church.

[fingers]

Usually Pete Plonker is so quick to defend his "mate" but obviously this is such a HARD question to answer!