[rosebay11]

In case there is any misunderstanding of what I've said, at no stage have I insinuated that Sam has Aspergers.

I have known some young people with this condition and IMO, they have not resembld SAM. Asperers' sufferers can, as stated above, range over a wide spectrum of intelligence from being slow learners to being geniuses. Usually their biggest difficulty is in fitting in socially with others. They tend to be introverted and have difficulty expressing emotions. Many that I have known have been acutely aware of their dificiencies on a social level and had tried very hard to overcome this condition.

My favourite example of someone who has aspergers is Yvgeny Kissin, the young Russian pianist. There are documentaries on him showing how he has battled with the condition. Generally IMO, aspergers sufferers can come across as being rather "formal" and "stiff" in their social interaction with others - but, at the same time, are very sweet people, in my experience.

[Shasown]

Bugger off he is an attention seeking twat is all, Psychologists would label him ADD but I would label him as not having sufficient love/nurturing/discipline as a child. Just needs the occassional twatting to keep him behaving normal.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shiner

Well not as ludicrous as you might think. The only people that Sam has "manipulated" as you say are the ones that can't handle the truth because that is all he is dishing out. It is impossible to set a "type" for people with Asperger's, the syndrome manifests itself in many different ways in many different people. Anyone of the HM's could have it and you'd never know. I'd be interested in knowing how you qualify your statement.

Sam does not have Asperger's Syndrome nor is a lack of empathy synonymous with Asperger's Syndrome. Sorry, but you're going to have to accept that. You have nothing to support your statement and clearly know nothing about the subject.

[seanraff07]

He's a childish, ignorant twat.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Sam does not have Asperger's Syndrome nor is a lack of empathy synonymous with Asperger's Syndrome. Sorry, but you're going to have to accept that. You have nothing to support your statement and clearly know nothing about the subject.

Seeing as you doubt my own personal experience, taken from wikipedia...

The lack of demonstrated empathy is possibly the most dysfunctional aspect of Asperger syndrome.[2] Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity, and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.[1]

Unlike those with autism, people with AS are not usually withdrawn around others; they approach others, even if awkwardly. For example, a person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a need for privacy or haste to leave.[5] This social awkwardness has been called "active but odd".[1] This failure to react appropriately to social interaction may appear as disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive.[5]
However, not all individuals with AS will approach others. Some of them may even display selective mutism, speaking not at all to most people and excessively to specific people. Some may choose to talk only to people they like.[21]

Many children with AS are initially misdiagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

It's all there you don't need to get anti with me.

[Shiner]

Also I too have not come out and conclusively stated that he has AS. All I've said is that the classic signs are there. Even those that have tried to shoot down this theory have inadvertently supported the notion.

Night night folks.

[Shasown]

Problem with that is he doesnt have a lack of empathy, he knows his comments questions and actions will create a reaction in people not only the person he is interacting with but also those watching too. He anticipates the reaction, in fact he revels in it.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shiner

Seeing as you doubt my own personal experience, taken from wikipedia...

I do doubt your own personal experience. Mostly because it is very apparent you have never met anybody with Asperger's syndrome.

It's all there you don't need to get anti with me.

Sam doesn't have any difficulty with influencing and socialising with other people. he has no major obsessions, no social naivete (quite the opposite), no deficiencies in hand-eye coordination or motor skills, is extrovert and confident, almost cocky, even among people he doesn't know and shows zero signs of social anxiety.

You are seriously grasping at straws trying to diagnose a person like Sam with Asperger's.

[rosebay11]

Shiner - thanks for that wikipedia definition - I can see, in every word of it, descripions of young people I've known , who had/have AS.

It's plain to see, Sam does does not have this condition.

But he does seem to lack empathy for others - which makes him act cruelly without a second thought. He does seem to derive pleasure from being able to hurt people in this way. Also claims quite an amount of power over others through using these tactics.

It really is a form of bullying, as he is managing to attack people's self-confidence and self-esteeem. Have not seen him building anybody up in the house.

I would imagine he learnd these skills when he was very young. I could be wrong - but I would guess - he learned to direct this kind of thing towards his mother - and did not have a strong father to keep him in line.

On another thread, the question has been asked - why Josie? One theory might be that Josie is known as the "mother" figure in the JJJ relationship [also the baby, of course, when thumb-sucking] - so not to carry this theory too far, I would think lot of Sams' "power" comes from his relationship - or lack of- with his mother, or mother figure in his life as a child.

[Christa]

He is just attention whoring for the cameras by being an immature little twat. That's all.

[Grimnir]

SAM TO WIN

Hopefully he makes Josie cry soon

I loved it when he said she was the type to sell her story to the gutter press

she got so defensive didn't she, truth hurts thats why

fat slag she is

the hippo doth protest TOO MUCH methinks

[Angus]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

MY son has Asperger's...I know alot about it I live with it...first JJ and now Sam...people CAN be arseholes without having a condition you know.

I agree. I think people are too ready to label anti-social behaviours so they can hide behind that label and excuse it instead of addressing the actual problem.

Sam knows exactly what he's doing and is deliberately being an a*sehole, so long may it continue whilst the dross remains in the house.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I do doubt your own personal experience. Mostly because it is very apparent you have never met anybody with Asperger's syndrome.

Only everytime I look in the mirror.

[_Seth]

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrot...-fight/play.c4

There's definitely something wrong with him. Sorry but that just isn't normal.

[I'm Buzzin!]

Originally Posted by smudgie

My worry is that he is a bit of a loose cannon and he may go to far and be escorted out of the door.

That would make for good tv

[Sunday]

I think BB primed him what to do before he went in and he is doing it all the way, LOL.

Some of the time he is funny and cute, then I want to slap him the next minute, he is one of those annoying type.

[rosebay11]

Sam had antagonised the BB applicants long before he got into the house. He, IMO, was chosen to go in because of what he had said he would do to shake things up. Granted, it's possible he does get some coaching too.

[watchinittoomuch]

The difference between Sam and an AS 'sufferer' is that Sam fully expects, and understands, the reactions he gets....people with Asperger's dont...

[Alpertinator]

Sam is not reminiscent of Aspergers. More like ADHD, but not aspergers at all.

Housemate most fitting the symptoms of aspergers is John James. Very much so.

[spyro66]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

MY son has Asperger's...I know alot about it I live with it...first JJ and now Sam...people CAN be arseholes without having a condition you know.

Couldn't agree more, my son also has Asperger's and if he behaved like Sam I would be ashamed ......... He doesn't he a very polite young man he simply has communication issues

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by spyro66

Couldn't agree more, my son also has Asperger's and if he behaved like Sam I would be ashamed ......... He doesn't he a very polite young man he simply has communication issues

Hiya

There's only ever been one housemate that I thought displayed the signs, and that was Eugene, but I cant remember if it was confirmed?

[rosebay11]

I wouldn't regard Sam as having AS. Wouldn't deny he has some qualities that are not very endearing to others.

As for JohnJ, I think his is an anger issue -pure and simple. Also, i think he can be controlled by older women - especially his mother.

[jj43]

Originally Posted by Shiner

Absolute classic symptoms of what I'm on about.

R u suggesting he is a psychopath in the making

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

The difference between Sam and an AS 'sufferer' is that Sam fully expects, and understands, the reactions he gets....people with Asperger's dont...

Exactly right.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by jj43

R u suggesting he is a psychopath in the making

No. All I'm saying is that he displays signs of having a very mild form of autism (not saying he's autistic mind) which can be so slight that it often goes undiagnosed, where in layman's terms, their brains are not wired exactly the same as most for social interaction and they tend to say the type things that most people keep to themselves (or only say behind peoples backs) to avoid embarrassment. I'm not suggesting he has no control over what he is saying as some of the "experts" on here think I am either because that is an entirely different thing altogether.

Sheesh.