[KERRYJ]

Every one seems to be forgetting that when racheal was in the house she was prepared to fancy jj because she thought thats what the audience wanted "i really like you" flutter eyelashes. And then all off a sudden shes out and she really fancies nathan, give me a break. What jj said was out of order but he is right sex sells, he knows it she knows it and so do we. I wonder when we will here all about the passionate night they spent together in heat magazine - not long must be about due by now.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by BBAroudtheGlobe

^^^ How was it a set up if he had the choice to pick her or not?

If it was a set up, then he set himself up. He was clearly playing up to the cameras because he viewers enjoy it. It just backfired on him this time.

Do you think Rachel would have greeted him with open arms had he chosen her instead? Nope.

BB said right at the start of his task that "he had a way with the ladies". BB was clearly exploiting him for a particular trait that he has and one that will get the forums etc. up in arms about him... and it worked. He was going to get cained whoever he picked.

[crocs]

Originally Posted by Shiner

BB said right at the start of his task that "he had a way with the ladies".

He genuinely thought after that comment that he has a way with the ladies. Until he had to remove the cloth.

[reece(:]

If you didn't watch it on live feed you missed most of it anyways.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by BBAroudtheGlobe

He dug his own grave and should have to deal with it... instead of running away and crying cowardly. He doesn't treat men and women equally. He belittles women until they cry. He runs and hides when he even "thinks" a man will stand up to him. How pathetic.

I completely agree!

[starry]

I know it wasn't, I watched it on LF. It was actually quite funny. They should have played all of it on the HLs, Nathan with Corin was boring in comparison.

[sosadbbend]

[QUOTE=Livia;3687634]He is DEEPLY disrespectful to women. I'm not sure if you're male or female, but if he'd spoken to your sister/girlfriend/you/one of your female friends like that you'd be seeing it differently, I suspect. If he'd spoken to me like that he'd have a tag on his toe right now. I think Rachael behaved with dignity in the face of a spiteful, immature, attention-seeking dunderhead. Although you must have noticed that his attitude adjusted when he heard Nathan was annoyed. Only then did he realise he may have gone over the top. Funny that...

The bit about treating women and men the same and not 'sugar coating' what he says is just a repetition of what his mother said on BBLB.

John James is a bully, and like most bullies, he's a coward.[

A bully is someone who picks on someone seemingly weaker than themselves and Rachael definitely doesn't come under that category, she gave as good as she got and wasn't crying!

[crocs]

Bullies pick someone they THINK is weaker than them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by KERRYJ

Every one seems to be forgetting that when racheal was in the house she was prepared to fancy jj because she thought thats what the audience wanted "i really like you" flutter eyelashes. And then all off a sudden shes out and she really fancies nathan, give me a break. What jj said was out of order but he is right sex sells, he knows it she knows it and so do we. I wonder when we will here all about the passionate night they spent together in heat magazine - not long must be about due by now.

I don't buy Heat magazine so I'll never hear about it in there.

Whatever Rachael's feelings for John James he had no right to speak to her in such an abusive and disrespectful manner. And for the women on this forum who think he did nothing wrong... I feel really sorry for you because you obviously don't understand what it's like to have a real man treat you with respect.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

A bully is someone who picks on someone seemingly weaker than themselves and Rachael definitely doesn't come under that category, she gave as good as she got and wasn't crying!

I don't need a word definition thanks. Just because Rachael didn't cry, you think his behaviour was acceptable! That's one of the saddest things I've heard today.

[Astaril]

Originally Posted by walter

i thought he was spot on as well. She is a money grabbing fat bitch. I mean why the **** would she be going out with that sleezy nathan. O wait OK magazine deal maybe. She really is a piece of ****.

I think this is really harsh, as if she is the only one who went on that show for fame, money and magazine deals? She was the only one that was honest about it from the start and said she wanted to do this kind of thing. What do you think the others are there for? The experience alone? Thats just naive. They will all grab whatever opportunities they can from this and who can blame them?

The only one I can't figure out is JJ1, I genuinly don't think he is in there for money. Fame possibly?

I think JJ1 was really insulting to Rachael in the argument though, it was really uncalled for. I am a JJ1 fan as well I think he has a really nice, sweet side to him, but the other side is just.... nasty! I really wish I could work him out.

[Astaril]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Oh come on all very neat, she drops in all the I've got a boyfriend, shes clearly in their to wind him up and get him to react, then conveniently Nathans in next and tells Corin hes with Rachel... BB knows the likelihood of certain choices getting made, theyre not daft

You forget, he first said something along the lines of... " You will find it hard to get a boyfriend to take you seriously now" something like this anyway.

[robb]

Originally Posted by KERRYJ

Every one seems to be forgetting that when racheal was in the house she was prepared to fancy jj because she thought thats what the audience wanted "i really like you" flutter eyelashes. And then all off a sudden shes out and she really fancies nathan, give me a break. What jj said was out of order but he is right sex sells, he knows it she knows it and so do we. I wonder when we will here all about the passionate night they spent together in heat magazine - not long must be about due by now.

Do you mean JohnJames and Josie?? Nah, I think they'll make one edition of OK! before she finally, finally realises she is carrying on with a mother-fixated phsycotic woman hater.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by robb

Do you mean JohnJames and Josie?? Nah, I think they'll make one edition of OK! before she finally, finally realises she is carrying on with a mother-fixated phsycotic woman hater.

Nope she actually meant Rachael and JJ1. Way before JJJ, remember she was desperate to cop off with him but he kept slagging her for being shallow but each time he threw her a bone she came a running? That Rachael. The one who suddenly fell for the next available man (I use the term bluntly) as soon as she got out of the house.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

The argument between John James and Rachael wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. Watched it on HL show, Rachael obviously wanted to get a rise out of John. Ok his comment about what she may do for money was not good but as for being disrespectful to women as some people in the house and on here have said I don't believe it.
I think he treats men and women the same and doesn't 'sugar coat' what he thinks when it's a woman he's got a problem with. That's why people misinterpret his views.
It's unfortunate for him that his problem with Corin was weaved into the situation because she relished making situation worse and then BB let the show end with her speech in the diary room and that will finish him off.

Love is blind!

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Shiner

Remembering that JJ1 isn't at all a favourite of mine here's how I read between the lines (biased BB edits) with their wee sesh together....

I honestly believe that he didn't pick her for the task so he could rip into her - at most he probably expected some banter between them. I reckon her and Nathan have wound each other up so much about how JJ1 was instrumental in them both leaving the house that she would have been seething with him. So from the moment he entered the room he got a massive bad vibe off her and no matter what he said she would have been $hitty with him. Remember she said that it was BB's initial intentions for her to get massaged by him but the thought was so *abhorrent to her that she made BB switch the roles - even though there would still be physical contact between them - not too bright eh Rach . Faced with this unexpected bad attitude and because of how childish and stubborn he is JJ1 just let the situation get away from him and he said stuff that he regretted.

I would put money on the fact that if we were shown the moment when he came through the door he would have been smiling and she would have been stood there arms folded and with that "like duh" face on that he took the piss out of so much when she was in the house. BB didn't show that moment for some reason and yet they showed us the first moments between Corin and Nathan and Mario and Ben.

*If it was so damn horrible for her to touch him as she indicated then it probably would have been better for her just not to participate with the task at all but as JJ1 rudely pointed out she would do anything for her 15 minutes of fame.... even sleep with Nathan ... which in a way backs up that horrid thing he said.

This is how i view the exchange as well. He actually had a choice and said her due to her short time in the house. He seemed ok until she said that she did the Nuts thing because "someone" had told her not to. His attitude changed then and got even worse when she indicated she didnt want him touching her.
Personally i think he does have no respect for women in general, but when you then add into the ingredient a BB wannabee like Rachael....15mins of fame....tits out deal....count the dosh....then its bound to kick off.

But if he is prepared to say derogatory things to people, then he should have the balls to back it up and not wimp out as he did. Pathetic.