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Zippy · 19-12-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cub

Biffy should be grateful to Matt and the X Factor and count the royalties. They'll never be a popular as this moment.

CONGRATS TO MATT FOR THE CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE!

we all know that the XF winner is guaranteed xmas No1 these days...bar any campaigns. So its no big deal.

he needs to get a No1 of his own accord before he gets proper respect. Not with a cover or the momentum of XF behind him.

As for Biffy....they obviously gave their song to XF so they really have no place trying to distance themselves from it now. If you sell out then at least admit you sold out and reap whatever reward you were aiming to get. Otherwise you just look stupid and hypocritical.

Kazanne · 19-12-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy

we all know that the XF winner is guaranteed xmas No1 these days...bar any campaigns. So its no big deal.

he needs to get a No1 of his own accord before he gets proper respect. Not with a cover or the momentum of XF behind him.

As for Biffy....they obviously gave their song to XF so they really have no place trying to distance themselves from it now. If you sell out then at least admit you sold out and reap whatever reward you were aiming to get. Otherwise you just look stupid and hypocritical.

Give the bloke chance,I am sure he will be happy to do his own stuff,he has said as much,but I would imagine at the moment things are still up in the air.

Tom4784 · 19-12-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cub

Biffy should be grateful to Matt and the X Factor and count the royalties. They'll never be a popular as this moment.

CONGRATS TO MATT FOR THE CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE!

Yeah, Let's forget they've had critical success and Gold & Platinum albums sales before this because they're obviously some garage band who's lucky to be given some sort of hand by the Godlike Cowell

They didn't need X Factor and they don't care about it, I'm pretty sure it was their label that made the decision.

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Originally Posted by kazanne

Well people obviously prefer the 'XFactor' style as you call it,Matt has got it to number one,what I find arrogant is people thinking they own a song and no one else should touch it,and how on earth can you say the one that got to number 20 is superior? it may be to you but obviously not to the masses,they had a second chance and STILL did not make it.

By your logic then the Crazy frog is better then Coldplay as it beat them to Number 1. The singles chart is a pit of bad taste and does nothing to grant credibility to anyone. The Albums chart is more credible and Biffy Clyro are more based around albums so their singles aren't going to do well in the singles chart is it's mostly dominated by pop/dance/R'n'B/Rap type music. It's common sense really. You're grasping at straws trying to defend it really. Anything can get to number 1 with the right promotion and Matt Cardle is a result of it. He wouldn't have done as well if it wasn't for the X Factor push.

Biffy got to number 20 in a chart where alternate types of music rarely make a splash and they didn't have the publicity either. It's much more of an achievement then Matt Cardle's number 1 and you're lying to yourself if you think he really earned it.

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Originally Posted by kazanne

You don't know that.wasn't her song a cover?aren't all the XFactor songs covers who's to say the fans of the song Rebecca would have done would not have been so bitter as Biffys.

Difference between Rebecca's & Matt's songs was that the original of Rebecca's was an awful Duffy Album track and she could have only improved on it. Biffy's was much more superior, raw and heartfelt. Matt's version is robotic, stunted and quite frankly boring.

Kazanne · 19-12-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Prezzie

Yeah, Let's forget they've had critical success and Gold & Platinum albums sales before this because they're obviously some garage band who's lucky to be given some sort of hand by the Godlike Cowell

They didn't need X Factor and they don't care about it, I'm pretty sure it was their label that made the decision.

By your logic then the Crazy frog is better then Coldplay as it beat them to Number 1. The singles chart is a pit of bad taste and does nothing to grant credibility to anyone. The Albums chart is more credible and Biffy Clyro are more based around albums so their singles aren't going to do well in the singles chart is it's mostly dominated by pop/dance/R'n'B/Rap type music. It's common sense really. You're grasping at straws trying to defend it really. Anything can get to number 1 with the right promotion and Matt Cardle is a result of it. He wouldn't have done as well if it wasn't for the X Factor push.

Biffy got to number 20 in a chart where alternate types of music rarely make a splash and they didn't have the publicity either. It's much more of an achievement then Matt Cardle's number 1 and you're lying to yourself if you think he really earned it.

Difference between Rebecca's & Matt's songs was that the original of Rebecca's was an awful Duffy Album track and she could have only improved on it. Biffy's was much more superior, raw and heartfelt. Matt's version is robotic, stunted and quite frankly boring.

But Duffy fans would not have thought Duffy awful would they?same as you don't think Biffy is awful,they would have the same opinion as you,not all Biffy fans think Matt has ruined it either,people ARE entitalled to like what they want ,just because YOU think he has ruined it ,not everyone does,and Of course Matt earned his number one,he is the one that has slogged away for years with his music,I've heard Biffys(thanks to Matt) and for me it isn't as good as Matts,so sorry ,but it's true,There are lots of chart music i don't like but would never diss people for their preferences,it's their choice,whether I think the song is crap or not,it's not the end of the world now is it.You cannot force people to like the music you like.

Stu · 19-12-2010, 08:38 PM

What an arrogant git. The most powerful promotional machine in music pushed your by the numbers cover into the number one spot so that the droves of mindless girls who fell for your image might actually realize that you also dabble in a bit of music and might shell out for the ... oh I don't know ... fifteen or so copies it takes to actually get to number one nowadays.

Criticizm comes part and parcel with any musical endeavour even moreso with credible endeavours of which yours is not. Is it all really too much to handle as you roll around in the snow with a number one and a small army of people willing to fuck your brains out at the next inevitable nightclub appearance?

Tom4784 · 19-12-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kazanne

But Duffy fans would not have thought Duffy awful would they?same as you don't think Biffy is awful,they would have the same opinion as you,not all Biffy fans think Matt has ruined it either,people ARE entitalled to like what they want ,just because YOU think he has ruined it ,not everyone does,and Of course Matt earned his number one,he is the one that has slogged away for years with his music,I've heard Biffys(thanks to Matt) and for me it isn't as good as Matts,so sorry ,but it's true,There are lots of chart music i don't like but would never diss people for their preferences,it's their choice,whether I think the song is crap or not,it's not the end of the world now is it.You cannot force people to like the music you like.

Matt has earned NOTHING. So what he's been 'slogging' away for years, so has many superior artists who won't have achieved his instant but fleeting 'success'. He won a talent show, he took the fast track since he obviously couldn't get anywhere by himself which speaks a lot about his future prospects. He's earned nothing so far and too right he's got critics, his version is **** and like all X Factor singles, no one will care in a few weeks time. They're disposable.

I'm not forcing anyone into anything, in fact you and the other fans have been reacting badly to anyone saying a word against him so don't try that point with me because it's hypocritical.

I'm just stating my opinion that Matt Cardle is generic and has no future in the industry and that his single is one of the worst X Factor Singles I've heard.

Pyramid* · 19-12-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Prezzie

Matt has earned NOTHING. So what he's been 'slogging' away for years, so has many superior artists who won't have achieved his instant but fleeting 'success'. He won a talent show, he took the fast track since he obviously couldn't get anywhere by himself which speaks a lot about his future prospects. He's earned nothing so far and too right he's got critics, his version is **** and like all X Factor singles, no one will care in a few weeks time. They're disposable.

I'm not forcing anyone into anything, in fact you and the other fans have been reacting badly to anyone saying a word against him so don't try that point with me because it's hypocritical.

I'm just stating my opinion that Matt Cardle is generic and has no future in the industry and that his single is one of the worst X Factor Singles I've heard.

Actually you are wrong. He's earned the title of Winner of X Factor 2010 - you might not be happy about it, but he has actually earned that, through merit alone (and not through judges 'tampering' with the voting processes).

Kazanne · 19-12-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Prezzie

How arrogant, You earn praise and he's done nothing to earn it so far. As for credibility, He's an X Factor artist now, It's something he'll never have. 'When We Collide' is just a cheesy X Factor song no matter how you cut it. I'm glad they changed the name really it distances itself from the superior original.

Well people obviously prefer the 'XFactor' style as you call it,Matt has got it to number one,what I find arrogant is people thinking they own a song and no one else should touch it,and how on earth can you say the one that got to number 20 is superior? it may be to you but obviously not to the masses,they had a second chance and STILL did not make it.