[Stu]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Thats tarring all farming methods with the same brush, not all animals are battery farmed

I never said they were. Still I somehow imagine free range and 'ethical' meat products remain a niche market.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Explain.

LOL.

A dog being beaten, hanged so it can only stand barely on its legs, and it dies when it collapses.

"you have no right to complain if you are a meat eater"

er... no one is eating that dog, it was beaten by its owner and left to starve and collapse to death..

being a meat eater has nothing to do with loads of animal cruelty cases use your brain

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

LOL.

A dog being beaten, hanged so it can only stand barely on its legs, and it dies when it collapses.

"you have no right to complain if you are a meat eater"

er... no one is eating that dog, it was beaten by its owner and left to starve and collapse to death..

being a meat eater has nothing to do with 99% of animal cruelty cases use your brain

Who said I was talking about the dog?

A large percentage of meat eating can be traced back to some form of animal cruelty. Of course most people don't seem to think it counts unless it's a dog, horse or dolphin.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Stu

You don't really have a right to complain if you are a meat eater.

and thats one of the stupidest things i have ever heard on the whole forum!

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Stu

You don't really have a right to complain if you are a meat eater.

Agreed.Killing an animal is cruel.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I'm not a meat eater anymore Stu.

[Legend killer]

Sadly it is a dog eat dog world out there , see what i did there

[MeMyselfAndI]

Who said you weren't.

You entered the thread and said "you have no right to complain if you're a meat eater"
most people would think that was a reply to "Animal Cruelty" which is the title of the thread, and what EVERYONE is talking about in this thread. If you weren't talking about the dog, or even animal cruelty in general. Maybe learn how to use the quote button. And still either way that comment you said is still stupid.

Meat eaters aren't asking for theese Animals to be beaten with poles, having their legs cut or any of this, Infact if they had known the cow they were eating had been beaten and leg cut off, i wouldn't be supriced if the person did not by that meat. Of course meat eaters have a right to complain about animal cruelty! And animals being beaten for "NO REASON" nothing to do with getting the food, at all, bar battery farming, which I am against. Most people who buy that chicken don't understand what has actually happened, or don't even realise anything that happened to the chickens.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

Who said you weren't.

You entered the thread and said "you have no right to complain if you're a meat eater"
most people would think that was a reply to "Animal Cruelty" which is the title of the thread, and what EVERYONE is talking about in this thread. If you weren't talking about the dog, maybe learn how to use the quote button.

I was talking about animal cruelty in general. Hanging a dog is animal cruelty. Battery farming chickens is animal cruelty. You can't condemn one whilst being entirely apathetic if not financially supporting the industry that causes the other.

Do you want me to paint a pretty little picture for you? Would that help make it clearer?

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

Meat eaters aren't asking for theese Animals to be beaten with poles, having their legs cut or any of this, Infact if they had known the cow they were eating had been beaten and leg cut off, i wouldn't be supriced if the person did not by that meat. Of course meat eaters have a right to complain about animal cruelty! And animals being beaten for "NO REASON" nothing to do with getting the food, at all, bar battery farming, which I am against. Most people who buy that chicken don't understand what has actually happened, or don't even realise anything that happened to the chickens.

Will this message be reposted in English at twelve tonight?

Most meat eaters directly support an industry that causes considerable harm and cruelty to animals. Yet when confronted with a thread like this will squirm and go 'oh the poor little animals!'. Well do something about it then and either stop buying meat or buy free range or ethical meat products.

That's my point. Or at least part of it.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Stu

I was talking about animal cruelty in general. Hanging a dog is animal cruelty. Battery farming chickens is animal cruelty. You can't condemn one whilst being entirely apathetic if not financially supporting the industry that causes the other.

Do you want me to paint a pretty little picture for you? Would that help make it clearer?

I think it's you that needs to pretty little picture to make it clearer, you said "You can't complain if you're a meat eater" about Animal cruelty. I then proved to you that you can complain obviously because, animal cruelty is nothing to do with meat eating (dog theory), which proved your theory out of the water straight away, hence it being the stupidiest quote ever.

"You can't complain if you're a meat eater". What you said is if you eat meat, you cant say animal cruelty is wrong. You blatenly can... due to my dog theory.

You need to go to school I think.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

I think it's you that needs to pretty little picture to make it clearer, you said "You can't complain if you're a meat eater" about Animal cruelty. I then proved to you that you can complain obviously because, animal cruelty is nothing to do with meat eating, which proved your theory out of the water straight away, hence it being the stupidiest quote ever.

"You can't complain if you're a meat eater". What you said is if you eat meat, you cant say animal cruelty is wrong. You blatenly can... due to my dog theory.

You need to go to school I think.

You just have to be putting this on. You are literally too stupid to be real.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Stu

You just have to be putting this on. You are literally too stupid to be real.

Says the one who said "You can't complain if you're a meat eater"
Blatently people can who are eating free range, and totally against animal abuse.

There i thought I'd make it simpler for you to understand by putting it in a sentance..

You said it in a factual way "YOU CANT COMPLAIN" well actually i think you find i can x

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Will this message be reposted in English at twelve tonight?

Most meat eaters directly support an industry that causes considerable harm and cruelty to animals. Yet when confronted with a thread like this will squirm and go 'oh the poor little animals!'. Well do something about it then and either stop buying meat or buy free range or ethical meat products.

That's my point. Or at least part of it.

Firstly, what what you said "You can't complain if you're a meat eater" you were assuming that US who had posted in the thread were supporting thoose industries that are cruelty to animals. Well I'll tell you when I was a meat eater I wasn't, as my parents are against it and buy very specific meat thankyou very much. And I have done something about it by not eating meat, and have always had free range. So of course I had a right to complain when i "WAS" a meat eater. How do you know 'Vicky' and 'Smithy' don't eat free range too? You assumed..

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

Firstly, what what you said "You can't complain if you're a meat eater" you were assuming that US who had posted in the thread were supporting thoose industries that are cruelty to animals. Well I'll tell you when I was a meat eater I wasn't, as my parents are against it and buy very specific meat thankyou very much. And I have done something about it by not eating meat, and have always had free range. So of course I had a right to complain when i "WAS" a meat eater. How do you know 'Vicky' and 'Smithy' don't eat free range too? You assumed..

What if I believe killing any animal you don't need for your survival amounts to animal cruelty? Many people believe that. That's another argument entirely. Moving back to the point :

Of course I assumed. It was a general comment made to the general consumer of meat produce ... most of whom have absoloutely no idea where their meat is sourced from. It would have been both implausible and impractical to consult every active TiBB poster via PM and pose them a ten minute questionnaire on their meat eating habits and what they buy at the supermarket before posting a general comment most people would be levelheaded enough to not get mind bogglingly pedantic about.

Of course this flew all over your head because the main aim here was to try and mount some sort of offensive argument full of insults and 'theories' to show me up for the sake of it, thinking you could 'take on the big boy' or something. You may as well be throwing bits of cotton candy at a fucking warship.

Now I won't tell you to fuck off. I'm going to fuck off. I would honestly rather not waste my time getting baited by an incomprehensibly stupid individual such as yourself. No doubt you have the ability to change the argument to suit your needs, confuse my well made points and throw me off with you amazing ability to just fucking invent languages when the need arises.

This is character assasination. From me to you.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i hope he dies of cancer

[MeMyselfAndI]

Right let me explain this better.

This thread is called "Animal Cruelty vile"

Stu you entered the thread and said" you don't really have a right to complain if you are a meat eater"

I replied and said yes we do, for instance if a dog is being beaten and tortured by its owner, that has nothing to do with meat eating because it was brutally killed by it's owner. So that is animal cruelty that i have a right to complain against

Stu you said; who said i was talking about the dog? Animal cruelty happens over the world for meat that people eat

I said well, you said "You don't really have a right to complain if you're a meat eater" well as you said you were talking about animal cruelty in general, I said of course i have a right to complain as I use to eat free range, and a dog being beaten is nothing to do with meat eating so yes that does blow away your quote about animal cruelty. As the dog isn't being eaten, just killed by its owner.

[Vicky.]

People who eat meat would obviously still be shocked and sickened by seeing something like that.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is on a totally different planet to others :/

I will be honest and say I dont really know where my meat comes from most of the time, but I do buy free range eggs (go me ) but I dont think that gives me any less right to say the video above is totally vile.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People who eat meat would obviously still be shocked and sickened by seeing something like that.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is on a totally different planet to others :/

I will be honest and say I dont really know where my meat comes from most of the time, but I do buy free range eggs (go me ) but I dont think that gives me any less right to say the video above is totally vile.

Yes exactly, and you do have a right to complain if you do eat meat.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People who eat meat would obviously still be shocked and sickened by seeing something like that.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is on a totally different planet to others :/

I will be honest and say I dont really know where my meat comes from most of the time, but I do buy free range eggs (go me ) but I dont think that gives me any less right to say the video above is totally vile.

Of course they would still be shocked and of course they would find it vile. I said nothing to suggest any different. Most rational human beings would be shocked.

I was refering to actively complaining and crying about one type animal cruelty in a storm of fury in your posts whilst possibly supporting and maintaining the industry of another.

Of course you can complain. It seems I need to point that out. Lest some knuckleheaded douche take it on an ultra literal, supressing-my-freedom-of-speech level. You can complain. It's just hillariously hypocritical to do so.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Of course they would still be shocked and of course they would find it vile. I said nothing to suggest any different. Most rational human beings would be shocked.

I was refering to actively complaining and crying about one type animal cruelty whilst possibly supporting and maintaining the industry of another.

before you weren't using word's like possibly
you used words of "You dont have a right" just assumptions, there was no maybe words involved.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Of course they would still be shocked and of course they would find it vile. I said nothing to suggest any different. Most rational human beings would be shocked.

I was refering to actively complaining and crying about one type animal cruelty whilst possibly supporting and maintaining the industry of another.

Ya I get that.

I guess the thing though, when eating meat...you dont actually see what happens, You just buy it from the shop and dont give a second thought to how it got there...or most people dont anyways

Kinda out of sight out of mind.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ya I get that.

I guess the thing though, when eating meat...you dont actually see what happens, You just buy it from the shop and dont give a second thought to how it got there...or most people dont anyways

Kinda out of sight out of mind.

Yep, it's a sort of a way of resolving yourself of responsibility. I think that's what I hate most of all. I have come to realize now that I'm not really comftorable eating an animal I myself would not be prepared to kill. Just seems cheap.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yep, it's a sort of a way of resolving yourself of responsibility. I think that's what I hate most of all. I have come to realize now that I'm not really comftorable eating an animal I myself would not be prepared to kill. Just seems cheap.

Good point.

Still, I enjoy meat too much to give it much thought, stuff like this kinda does make me think I shouldnt, but I dont like the quorn stuff and eat next to no veg, meat probably makes up about 50% of my diet tbh.

Yeah, that makes me selfish..but I will forget about it by tomorrow when I'm eating a bacon sandwich.

Ignorance is bliss, in some case :/

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Of course you can complain. It seems I need to point that out. Lest some knuckleheaded douche take it on an ultra literal, supressing-my-freedom-of-speech level. You can complain. It's just hillariously hypocritical to do so.

Oh yeah, it is hypocritical, I agree.

The out of sight out of mind thing applies here too

[MeMyselfAndI]

Oh yeah, it is hypocritical, I agree.

The out of sight out of mind thing applies here too

Yeah thats what i was trying to also get across to Stu for people like you who don't know where they get their meat from

Infact if they had known the cow they were eating had been beaten and leg cut off, i wouldn't be supriced if the person did not by that meat

^what i said to Stu