[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Awww, Tara is soo sweet to them. You can tell she has real affection for them.

I read that Tara has a brother and sister who are twins, so maybe she gets that closeness you would have as a twin.

Brand Jedward? I think the GBP are in Brand Coleslaw at the moment.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ArcticLion

Are you saying your eyes wouldnt light up if someone told you that you could potentially be worth over a billion pounds somedays? stop nit-picking

^^

[Suze]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I read that Tara has a brother and sister who are twins, so maybe she gets that closeness you would have as a twin.

Brand Jedward? I think the GBP are in Brand Coleslaw at the moment.

Brand Coleslaw You just brought to mind that advert they did with Alexis Sayles, maybe they will get a Coleslaw advert offer now

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Suze

Brand Coleslaw You just brought to mind that advert they did with Alexis Sayles, maybe they will get a Coleslaw advert offer now

They will probably get offers from Coleslaw companies to advertise now thanks to the controversy when all this is over, thanks BB.

Coleslaw gate could have it's benefits!

[InOne]

They will never be worth that much. Their current fans now will grow up and get bored. They will become older and not many people will take to that act in their 20's. Louis set to make a quick buck out of them and that's what he did. There is no "long term" Jedward.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by InOne

They will never be worth that much. Their current fans now will grow up and get bored. They will become older and not many people will take to that act in their 20's. Louis set to make a quick buck out of them and that's what he did. There is no "long term" Jedward.

The twins already know that their fame won't last long, might as well make the most of it while the career offers are there.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

The twins already know that their fame won't last long, might as well make the most of it while the career offers are there.

Of course.

If they play it right now, they could be set for life really

[arista]

She only wants them as a brand
to make her own Cut in it.

But the are 2 males that are imature

You would have to be a female
to make a Mega Brand.

[Zippy]

Nobody buys their crap outside Ireland

And why anybody would want them attached to their product just staggers me. Surefire way to look cheap and tacky.

[joeysteele]

Interesting.
Nobody ???? In the Eurovision song contest after only the UK could vote the result, they were the choice of the UK voters to get the UKs top vote of 12.

Nobody??? only the votes of the UK voters (as Ireland couldn't vote in X Factor then), kept them in the X Factor having them finish on the top half of the finals coming 6th out of 12 finalists.

Nobody???, Under Pressuure reaches no 2 in the charts, their singles admittedly do badly since but they still have had sales to get them to the lower ends of the charts.
Nobody??? Their first album hit 17 and while this one only has made 34 it still has had sales to get there and is classed as a hit album,therefore people buying it.

Nobody,the word means nil,zero,no one at all, or it did in my education.so I don't see where it's a fact 'nobody' buys their work outside of Ireland,they do in the UK and in parts of Europe they sell loads more.

Add to that the sell out concerts in the UK too, then it's also far from nobody spending money to see them either.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Interesting.
Nobody ???? In the Eurovision song contest after only the UK could vote the result, they were the choice of the UK voters to get the UKs top vote of 12.

Nobody??? only the votes of the UK voters (as Ireland couldn't vote in X Factor then), kept them in the X Factor having them finish on the top half of the finals coming 6th out of 12 finalists.

Nobody???, Under Pressuure reaches no 2 in the charts, their singles admittedly do badly since but they still have had sales to get them to the lower ends of the charts.
Nobody??? Their first album hit 17 and while this one only has made 34 it still has had sales to get there and is classed as a hit album,therefore people buying it.

Nobody,the word means nil,zero,no one at all, or it did in my education.so I don't see where it's a fact 'nobody' buys their work outside of Ireland,they do in the UK and in parts of Europe they sell loads more.

Add to that the sell out concerts in the UK too, then it's also far from nobody spending money to see them either.

Oh dear. I could shoot through all that but Ill keep it short;

They were a NOVELTY act on XF and became a huge sympathy case and got adverse publicity. Which always gets you more votes than most of the other nonentities on the show. Lets face it, there's only ever really about 3 real contenders. And nobody votes in the early shows anyways.

UK always votes for Ireland in Eurovision..ALWAYS. The fact Jedward were 100 times more known to UK viewers tha the other acts..well, hardly a shock they got top votes. Means sod all. Did that song set the UK chart on fire? No! it struggled up to a pathetic no40 even after a big TV audience.

Anybody can sell out venues if you pick the right size to begin with. And the right audience of toddlers.

And finally Ill point you to my sig; considering theyre supposed to have a huge fanbase don't you find it a bit odd that only 3000 bothered to rush out and buy their new album? I find it hilarious myself.

But not remotely surprised because their alleged fanbase is a load of HOT AIR.

And nobody is ever gonna classify a no34 album a hit. Its a floppy flop flopperoo!

[joeysteele]

I will attempt to explain again.
So Zippy if I was to look at a hit albums book post 2011 in the future as to
listing what is deemed in the UK as chart hit albums in the UK, nowhere will I find Victory by Jedward in it will I not? I think you will find it will be in it though.

You said 'nobody' bought their work outside of Ireland, you cannot even admit you are wrong on that.
Jedward are not music stars, Louis Walsh is not moulding them for that, they are TV stars and that will grow in the future, I always said they were a visual act, people like to see them, that's why their concerts sell out.

To you everything is about hit records,many great singers past and present never get anything in the Charts anyway. Lots of great singers fell by the wayside or never got the chart acclaim they should have.

I merely took your point of 'nobody' buys their stuff outside of Ireland,made my pointbut you still cannot admit you were incorrect on that as you now seem to be still trying to say that 3000+ = 0.
I think you will find that is incorrect as well.

You don't like them,that is your taste and right to say so and to express facts on things,you have to also realise though they do have fans who will challenge discrepancies in any so called facts others lay against them.

No they haven't lit the charts up,you are right on that but just music and the charts is not the be all and end all of success in show business Zippy.

I was listening the other week to a great CD of songs by an american artiste called Jackie de Shannon,(I was searching through female singers from the 60s onwards) she wrote the song When you walk in the room which was massive for aother acts and also Bette Davis Eyes.
She released loads of singles apparantly,was a songwriter herself, had a great voice,made many albums too.
Yet this CD states that she never once in all her career had a top 50 single or top 50 album in the UK.

My point, the 'charts' that you place such massive emphasis on as to being the barometer of success in show business often do not in any way represent the very best of talent or music at times.

[Zippy]

You can't have it both ways!

You and a couple of others here are very quick to throw (made up)figures around when it makes them look good. Now you wanna act like sales and numbers don't count for everything? Well neither does them getting a shake n vac commercial deal! Does that make them worthy?

And so sorry for misusing the word nobody. Please God spank me. I wasn't aware it would get took so bloody literally.

But yeah, if 3 people bought their crap outside Ireland then my claims were a blatant lie. But their album is a surefire flop. No skirting the issue there no matter how hard you try. And again you try to cover both sides by claiming its a hit but then say theyre not trying to be popstars. Er, they clearly are and even talk about themselves as such.

[joeysteele]

Have to debate fairly Zippy, I try to, tell me anything I have said in the facts above that are wrong.If they are then I would admit to that.
Why use words and figures that aren't correct in my view, say what you mean and mean what you say is my motto.If I don't do that then I am right to be criticised.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Have to debate fairly Zippy, I try to, tell me anything I have said in the facts above that are wrong.If they are then I would admit to that.
Why use words and figures that aren't correct in my view, say what you mean and mean what you say is my motto.If I don't do that then I am right to be criticised.

you're guess-timates about their earnings are fabrication based on tabloid rumour. Who always get those figures wrong. You're not posting facts.

I don't pretend to know the figures but I do know for a fact that you don't know them either. Very easy to say somebody makes millions but when you look at the facts it doesnt add up.

Somebody like Kerry can get a mag deal worth more than their commercial deals. And thats just for an interview and photoshoot.

I always remember Sam fox saying how back in her day the tabloids were saying she had Ł10million. But in reality she was broke at the time. See, don't believe what you read.

[joeysteele]

Zippy,I will debate fairly with anyone who debates fairly back. If you look back at my posts,the figures you say I quote are as you even say what is reported, and I 'always' say they are 'reported' to have that amount,they are not my figures.
You though are saying they likely haven't without anything whatsoever to back you up.

I note you avoid the points I put as to if I bought a book of British hit albums post 2011,would Victory by them be in that book.You ignored that point.Maybe you would like to think it wouldn't be included in a British hit albums book but sadly again you would be wrong in that.

You then said you didn't expect 'nobody' to be taken literally, why say it then? Why not say only a small number buy their records rather than over exaggerate by saying ''nobody buys their records outside of Ireland''.Your words not mine.

You then go on to play around with figures again, stating 3 buying their records would be a lie, lying doesn't come into it, you are not lying at all,I never said you were or thought you were,but you are misrepresenting facts.
Of course the main difference between 3 and 3000 would be that the album would be a flop,which you already wrongly state it is, since it made the top 40,.
(If it had sold only 3 copies it would not have made the top 100 let alone the top 40).

You are never going to debate them fairly though.All I will now say is there are many acts in show business I dislike a great deal but I would never argue falsely against them as you do with Jedward..

[Zippy]

well if you think 3000 sales makes a hit album I may as well give up.

and your point about books called hit albums is irrelevant and desperate. A random unknown busker selling 3000 may be considered quite good. But for an act with such a high profile and ALLEGED huge fanbase like Jedward its absolutely pathetic. A big fat fail.

[joeysteele]

I will try once more by rephrasing the question and ignore it if you wish to.

In the facts and figures of the music business, not your world Zippy,or even in my world either, would any album no matter who it is by, if it made the top 40,would it be according to the professional music business chart compilers,a hit album or a flop album,which list would it go in on the official lits.
You are always very hot to tell others to quote official sources/listings so where would such an album be listed by them.Nowhere in the hit album lists, or included in them.

[CaudleHalbard]

Jedward are entertainers.They do sell-out live shows, highly paid advertising work, panel shows, modelling etc etc. The records are largely to humour them!

They make plenty from everything else to be able to drop recording if they wanted to. Serious sources - not just tabloids - estimate they have made at least Ł3 million (each) so far from their activities. We don't know how much of this is down to record sales but it is a fair assumption very little.

But they are, financially speaking, the most successful X-Factor contestants, beating Leona Lewis and Alexandra Burke (which must be pretty gutting for those girls!)

Nevertheless, as has been said, anything in the Top 40 is considered a "hit" in old-fashioned terms.

[Zippy]

^ oh here he comes with his BS figures again

and didnt you say you were not even a fan or did I imagine that. I wouldnt be surprised if you were Louis walsh the way you bang on obsessively about their earnings.

and their record sales are very much an indication of their popularity. There are loads of z-listers scraping together deals here and there for god knows what. Thats what Jedward are doing.

Again, where were all their supposed fans when their album came out?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Again, where were all their supposed fans when their album came out?

I would say the majority are waiting on their pocket money

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zippy

^ oh here he comes with his BS figures again

and didnt you say you were not even a fan or did I imagine that. I wouldnt be surprised if you were Louis walsh the way you bang on obsessively about their earnings.

and their record sales are very much an indication of their popularity. There are loads of z-listers scraping together deals here and there for god knows what. Thats what Jedward are doing.

Again, where were all their supposed fans when their album came out?

Wrong again,concerts are the main key to show business success,the charts long ago ceased to be the best barometer for that.Important still but not the be all and end all of show business success.sorry Zippy but it's clear you are not able to fairly answer the very simple question I put to you.

I don't know if you are accusing me again of bs on my figures or the poster who posted after me, but I have stated clearly figures I post, I always say they are 'reported',not my figures.
You dispute such figures with no source or report to back you up though and you think you are right and everyone else is wrong.that's sad.
Having said that you were the one who brought their earnings into the debate when you attacked me for 'making up' the figures,which was wrong anyway as I only state what is reported widely now too.

You are clearly not going to answer my question,but actually putting brand Jedward records aside, that you say is the key to successful artistes. wrong, I would rather judge an act on how well their concerts are filled,people paying around Ł20 a seat means a lot more than a Ł9+ cd.

I know lots of people for instance who 'wait' when an album comes out until the price drops,they will still go and see that act in a concert though.


People can dig unfairly all they like at Jedward fans for all sorts of reasons,and cannot resist getting a dig not just at Jedward but at their fans too,who the majority of are likely younger children waiting for their pocket money,nothing wrong with that anyway. I am not one of them though, I buy their records,I go to see them and I am 19,I do not have to wait for pocket money I do not though expect for me liking a star to also be ridiculed for that by others just because they personally do not like Jedward.

You Zippy and others, always hammer Jedward fans and me in particular for saying the same things as to them, I only say facts .
However, on thread after thread the same people who cannot resist getting a dig not only at them but also their fans too come on,also with the same attacks.Even to make jibes at Children who are their main fans I would agree.I was left feeling very insulted and ridiculed the other day personally just for being a Jedward fan.

Naturally if people have come to really like someone they will defend them against that and unfair attacks on them. Just as you did Zippy,which I strongly admired and agreed with you on, when you solidly fought Amy Winehouses corner against the unfair attacks on her by people who didn't like her and then ran her down when she sadly died.

You and others likely like lot's of singers I cannot stand,I would not though when criticising the act make a slur or derogative comment to you or their other fans.

[Lee.]

Even during their Byker Grove and SMTV days Ant and Dec were likable, amusing lads... Jedward are the exact opposite.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Even during their Byker Grove and SMTV days Ant and Dec were likable, amusing lads... Jedward are the exact opposite.

I think Jedward are likeable, I have met them, seen them live, they are polite to their fans and people they meet.Interested in you and not clock watchers either, they will chat for ages.

You at least though are fair Lee and say clearly you don't like them but you don't make really nasty comments and insults as to their fans, many of whom are children just like Ant and Decs were but who have grown with Ant and Dec and stayed with them while more fans being added.

At the time, people especially adults were saying exactly the same as to Ant and Dec some say now as to Jedward, they moaned at the daft saturday near all morning show they had,and slated all their records too.Seeing them as 2 silly lads acting the fool all the time.

I liked Ant and Dec, Even liked their records, 'Better Watch Out' I still play now.
Actually Jedward should record that one, because their fans have to 'better watch out' as they get attacked just for liking them and get called all sorts.That is not fair or even right.

[saraholeila]

I think they should have a Mr. Bean type cartoon, kids would love it!