[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by lostalex

okay, but you were saying that Jordan is a bad winner because she used her love interest to get further in the game. Now yu are trying to say that actually manipulating a love interest to win is a Brilliant move?

(and they say American's don't get irony?- assuming lemonjam isn't american)

That's a fair point. I do kindof think Jordans BB11 game is a bit underrated (ignoring my earlier outburst LOL) but I don't feel she made a single move by herself. Her game pretty much consisted solely of riding coat-tails and getting helped out by Grodner, whereas Drew made moves and was on the right side at the right time all the time.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

That's a fair point. I do kindof think Jordans BB11 game is a bit underrated (ignoring my earlier outburst LOL) but I don't feel she made a single move by herself. Her game pretty much consisted solely of riding coat-tails and getting helped out by Grodner, whereas Drew made moves and was on the right side at the right time all the time.

I honestly think, that in the future, people need to realize, that being popular with the public is a PART of the gameplay, because if you wanna carry favourite with Grodner, if you want the twists to go your way, then you should think about that before you go into the house, and that should be part of your game play. Because the producers ARE part of the game. imo.

AND to be fair to Allison, they've had An America's choice cash prize for how many seasons now?? So people should know by now that you have to be playing the game both for the fellow houseguests, aswell as the producers and the viewing audience.

This is not an EASY game. It has a lot of different angles.

[SoBig]

Drew just went to which ever side had the power. Kind of like Adam, actually a lot like Adam. Never made a big move, wasn't strategic etc.

Pretty insulting to say that he was better than Will and Dan.

Drew was just a really boring player that basically didn't do anything.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I honestly think, that in the future, people need to realize, that being popular with the public is a PART of the gameplay, because if you wanna carry favourite with Grodner, if you want the twists to go your way, then you should think about that before you go into the house, and that should be part of your game play. Because the producers ARE part of the game. imo.

Okay now this is just a load of bull**** and why you can't be taken seriously when it comes to discussing BBUS.

Utterly ridiculous.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Okay now this is just a load of bull**** and why you can't be taken seriously when it comes to discussing BBUS.

Utterly ridiculous.

You're right, I just made up that entire post for sheets and giggles.

You KNOW that what i said is the truth.


1/2 a million Dollars is on the line , and NO it's notjust as easy as choosing a suitcase or saying red or black.

Big Brother is a HUMAN CHESS GAME. It's not meant to be easy.
If you wanna see someone get a million bucks by just being an idiot, it doesn't need to be FAIR, if you want FAIR then watch deal or no deal, or red or black.

Big Brother US isn't meant to be fair, it's meant to be a game of SKILL, unlike every other game show in the world. BBUS says from the very beginning, we WILL change the rules all the time, expect the unexpected!

BBUS is NOT a game of LUCK or randomness, like all the other game shows, that's what makes it great.

When has BBUS ever claimed to be fair? THAT's exactly what i love about it. BBUS has said from the very beginning, there are no rules, BB can change the rules at any times. The minute you think you know the rules, the rules will change. No one out-smarts Big Brother.

That's what makes it Big Brother and truly Orwelian.

[rk3388]

1.Jordan
2.Dan
3.Dick
*HATE THE REST*
4.Dr.wIll
5.Jun
6.Eddie
7.Drew
*THESE R THE WORST WINNERS< I COULDNT WATCH*
8.Lisa
9.Maggie
10.Adam
11.Hayden
12. Mike

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by rk3388

1.Jordan
2.Dan
3.Dick
*HATE THE REST*
4.Dr.wIll
5.Jun
6.Eddie
7.Drew
*THESE R THE WORST WINNERS< I COULDNT WATCH*
8.Lisa
9.Maggie
10.Adam
11.Hayden
12. Mike

How can you hate Dr. Will? He's the godfather of the game.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

How can you hate Dr. Will? He's the godfather of the game.

don't be so judgemental

lol, j/k.

But seriously though, Will himself even said everyone should hate him, so what do you mean? He was a very hate worthy figure. But a brilliant strategist, It is possible to respect someone and hate them.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by lostalex

don't be so judgemental

lol, j/k.

But seriously though, Will himself even said everyone should hate him, so what do you mean? He was a very hate worthy figure. But a brilliant strategist, It is possible to respect someone and hate them.

True. I can't help but love the guy though.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Most of the winners, although unlikable, were good players. Lisa's pretty underrated in terms of her gameplay because she's overshadowed by Danielle. The only winners that were really crappy in terms of gameplay are Dick and Jordan because there was too much manipulation and rigging that benefited them. Dick played a horrible game with tons of mistakes that people ignore, and Jordan did nothing at all.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Most of the winners, although unlikable, were good players. Lisa's pretty underrated in terms of her gameplay because she's overshadowed by Danielle. The only winners that were really crappy in terms of gameplay are Dick and Jordan because there was too much manipulation and rigging that benefited them. Dick played a horrible game with tons of mistakes that people ignore, and Jordan did nothing at all.

I don't even understand how you can have an opinion on this, arn't you the one that's always claiming that it's a total fix? so according to you it's all set up from the beginning by Allison and CBS right? by your logic, none of them are game players, it's all just a giant fix.

So how are you judging players if the Producers are manipulating the whole show according to you?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't even understand how you can have an opinion on this, arn't you the one that's always claiming that it's a total fix? so according to you it's all set up from the beginning by Allison and CBS right? by your logic, none of them are game players, it's all just a giant fix.

So how are you judging players if the Producers are manipulating the whole show according to you?

Once again you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that it's always a total fix. Some seasons don't have much rigging, some seasons, like this one, have a lot of rigging. The more rigging, the less satisfying the winner. BB8, BB11, and BB13 are the three most rigged seasons. It's not a coincidence that, therefore, Dick and Jordan, in my opinion, are the two worst winners. And we'll see who wins this season.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Drew just went to which ever side had the power. Kind of like Adam, actually a lot like Adam. Never made a big move, wasn't strategic etc.

Pretty insulting to say that he was better than Will and Dan.

Drew was just a really boring player that basically didn't do anything.

Meh, they're my top three and are pretty close in my eyes.

I wouldn't say Drew was of an Adam caliber. He won many HoH's and so forth had to make his own decisions whereas Adam follows everybody elses decisions and takes people he certainly can't beat to the end.

But Drew never needed to make a big, elaborate move because he always with the right people at the right time. Even so, I'd say getting Diane to go against her alliance at the F5 for him was a great move.

He's not the most exciting player, hell, he probably barely realised how good a game he played, but IMO he's the best winner.

-wishes he'd have put Will/Dan first to save the bother-

[MeMyselfAndI]

1. Jordan
2. Dick
3. Dan
4. Drew
5. Adam
6. Maggie
7. Mike

Seen S5-S12