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Old 27-09-2011, 11:18 AM #26
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Aaron for being a game playing twonk and causing all this in the first place... then playing 'victim'
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I obviously wasn't paying as much attention to him in the diary room as I missed some of your points.
A big clue came early on "I'm not in here to make friends, its a game and I'm going to play it"

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Ah yes, I see your point now. Going into the diary room and saying he's done nothing wrong and wants to go home, can be perceived as pulling the victim card.. However I never saw him say he'd done nothing wrong.
Passive agressive trick, the 'I'm the wronged party attitude and absolutely no accepting accountability for the actions = I've done nothing wrong and don't deserve anyone being upset with or angry at me


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I didn't know he said this, unless you mean the part where Faye brought his son into the conversation, and if so I agree with Aaron that she was out of order with that one. I never got the impression he was playing the victim card there.
Of course he is, she was quite right to point out that his actions will effect his son... have you seen how nasty kids can be to each other? And if your going to take the effect on people on the outside into consideration it should be the child, adults can fend for themselves, back off or ignore unfair comments, a child often can not!

How dare she draw that to his attention, doesn't she know that he can't play his underhanded games if he has to take such things into account? His reaction to a very fair comment regarding caution in causing a negative effect on his child... was as if she'd accused him of being a bad father... victim card played in the responce!



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Personally I don't understand why Faye and Tom feel the way they do over Aaron kissing a girl, he's never committed himself to Faye or Tom and I guess he's a free agent to kiss whoever wants to kiss him. Should he decide to do that.
We saw him 'admitting' (I don't believe it at all, it was part of his game) that he was attracted and that she was the best girl in there. The impression he gave was in agreement with her that doing anything whilst in there would be tacky... leaving her with the impression they would build the friendship toward something happening after BB

So her reaction was to the betrayal of that plus the betrayal of portraid principles as given what was said, she would have viewed what he did as tacky... add to that, the obvious disapointment when you realise you have been played for a mug... I fully understand her reaction

As for Tom... If when Tom was admitting to feeling jealous, aaron hadn't been leading him on he would have called him on it there and then... "Whoa dude, I've told you all along I'm straight!".... We have seen the in bed cuddles and nussling, aaron hasn't called tom on the claims of kissing the back of toms neck.... quite obviously the boy WAS led on by aaron, making him think he wasn't the only bi male in the house which would draw tom in... so yes again I can see where toms reaction comes from




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Was there really any need for this remark?
Absolutely, aarons fans are being blinkered, according to them he can do no wrong.... yet they where all over rebeckahs game playing and hated her for it. a spacsavers comment isn't an insult, it is just pointing out that the person is not looking at what is right there in front of us!
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sadly she will be hated on here she dared to argue with the forum darling Aaron a good example is Maisy a few days ago she was about as popular as anal warts now because shes kissed Aaron shes the queen of the house the truth is anyone who sides with Aaron is popular on here hes this years Ben but we all remember what happened to that prat .
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A big clue came early on "I'm not in here to make friends, its a game and I'm going to play it"



Passive agressive trick, the 'I'm the wronged party attitude and absolutely no accepting accountability for the actions = I've done nothing wrong and don't deserve anyone being upset with or angry at me




Of course he is, she was quite right to point out that his actions will effect his son... have you seen how nasty kids can be to each other? And if your going to take the effect on people on the outside into consideration it should be the child, adults can fend for themselves, back off or ignore unfair comments, a child often can not!

How dare she draw that to his attention, doesn't she know that he can't play his underhanded games if he has to take such things into account? His reaction to a very fair comment regarding caution in causing a negative effect on his child... was as if she'd accused him of being a bad father... victim card played in the responce!





We saw him 'admitting' (I don't believe it at all, it was part of his game) that he was attracted and that she was the best girl in there. The impression he gave was in agreement with her that doing anything whilst in there would be tacky... leaving her with the impression they would build the friendship toward something happening after BB

So her reaction was to the betrayal of that plus the betrayal of portraid principles as given what was said, she would have viewed what he did as tacky... add to that, the obvious disapointment when you realise you have been played for a mug... I fully understand her reaction

As for Tom... If when Tom was admitting to feeling jealous, aaron hadn't been leading him on he would have called him on it there and then... "Whoa dude, I've told you all along I'm straight!".... We have seen the in bed cuddles and nussling, aaron hasn't called tom on the claims of kissing the back of toms neck.... quite obviously the boy WAS led on by aaron, making him think he wasn't the only bi male in the house which would draw tom in... so yes again I can see where toms reaction comes from






Absolutely, aarons fans are being blinkered, according to them he can do no wrong.... yet they where all over rebeckahs game playing and hated her for it. a spacsavers comment isn't an insult, it is just pointing out that the person is not looking at what is right there in front of us!
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sadly she will be hated on here she dared to argue with the forum darling Aaron a good example is Maisy a few days ago she was about as popular as anal warts now because shes kissed Aaron shes the queen of the house the truth is anyone who sides with Aaron is popular on here hes this years Ben but we all remember what happened to that prat .
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A big clue came early on "I'm not in here to make friends, its a game and I'm going to play it"

Absolutely, aarons fans are being blinkered, according to them he can do no wrong....
I have to agree. He's a good housemate and I do think that Tom and Faye overreacted, but the praising of everything he does and refusal to admit he has flaws is a bit irritating.
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yes of course he was that's why he was evicted week 7 to loud boos and why we have barely heard from him since .
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Faye is my most disliked and I wouldn't have believed I'd have said that. I've disliked Anton with a passion since the start.

The warning bells did sound for me last week when Faye and Tom were trying to get Aaron to talk dirty and he wouldn't play their game.
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yes of course he was that's why he was evicted week 7 to loud boos and why we have barely heard from him since .
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yes of course he was that's why he was evicted week 7 to loud boos and why we have barely heard from him since .
Why should we hear from him? He's a BB housemate. Not a celebrity.

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A big clue came early on "I'm not in here to make friends, its a game and I'm going to play it"



Passive agressive trick, the 'I'm the wronged party attitude and absolutely no accepting accountability for the actions = I've done nothing wrong and don't deserve anyone being upset with or angry at me




Of course he is, she was quite right to point out that his actions will effect his son... have you seen how nasty kids can be to each other? And if your going to take the effect on people on the outside into consideration it should be the child, adults can fend for themselves, back off or ignore unfair comments, a child often can not!

How dare she draw that to his attention, doesn't she know that he can't play his underhanded games if he has to take such things into account? His reaction to a very fair comment regarding caution in causing a negative effect on his child... was as if she'd accused him of being a bad father... victim card played in the responce!





We saw him 'admitting' (I don't believe it at all, it was part of his game) that he was attracted and that she was the best girl in there. The impression he gave was in agreement with her that doing anything whilst in there would be tacky... leaving her with the impression they would build the friendship toward something happening after BB

So her reaction was to the betrayal of that plus the betrayal of portraid principles as given what was said, she would have viewed what he did as tacky... add to that, the obvious disapointment when you realise you have been played for a mug... I fully understand her reaction

As for Tom... If when Tom was admitting to feeling jealous, aaron hadn't been leading him on he would have called him on it there and then... "Whoa dude, I've told you all along I'm straight!".... We have seen the in bed cuddles and nussling, aaron hasn't called tom on the claims of kissing the back of toms neck.... quite obviously the boy WAS led on by aaron, making him think he wasn't the only bi male in the house which would draw tom in... so yes again I can see where toms reaction comes from






Absolutely, aarons fans are being blinkered, according to them he can do no wrong.... yet they where all over rebeckahs game playing and hated her for it. a spacsavers comment isn't an insult, it is just pointing out that the person is not looking at what is right there in front of us!


The way I see it, is Aaron went in there and said he was going to play the game. Fine most housemates declare this when they first enter the house. Not so many carry on playing the game in the same way they originally intended. We were reminded in last weeks 'Yes' task that Aaron is still playing the game. That I agree with.

This is where I have a different opinion on Aaron. He originally said he fancied Louise and then a few days later having spent more time with Faye he confessed to liking her (I think he said the most too) Faye reacted by getting closer to Aaron, but never did I see her say she fancied him.

He's teased and flirted with Tom and then later spoke in confidence that he had realised Tom has genuine feelings for him. Aaron doesn't really know the best way to deal with Tom. Fearing that Tom may feel very upset and turn against Aaron which Aaron didn't want. I got the impression Aaron cared for Tom and through fear of losing his friendship he chose the cowards way out and said nothing. I have never thought highly of Aaron where Tom is concerned. I think Aaron should have been straight with him from the start.

Time plods on and it's not looking like anything is going to happen between him and Faye. She's even said (after their dinner date) that she fancies Jay the most. Was Aaron ever told this from another housemate ? Did Aaron get vibes from Faye that nothing was ever going to happen between them ?

Along comes Maisy who herself has said she's feeling sexually frustrated. Things heat up between him and Maisy they kiss, this upsets Anton. Anton plants the seeds the following morning and then we have the full blow out between them all.

Aaron goes to the diary room, I never once got the impression he was playing the victim card. I thought he went in there saying 'What have I done...what have I done..? ...Oh I've made my bed I must now lay in it'.

He went on to admit that he is a coward, because Maisy was out there fighting on her own and there he was hiding in the diary room.

Aaron kissed a girl Tom and Faye went over the top bitching about him winding each other up more and more, then dragging the other housemates into their own drama.


It looked at one point that Aaron was trying to deal with it when he was apologising to Faye and instead of accepting his apology she threw his son into the conversation. Personally I think that was a cheap dig and was uncalled for. We can't say for sure, but maybe Aaron spoke about his son quite a lot when he was alone with Faye, her bringing his son into the drama was unfair, if it wasn't why didn't she speak of this when she was telling the others that he had a go at her?


As much as I can see him playing the game I don't think this incident is part of the game. I believe that Aaron (rightly or wrongly) has brought this upon himself and instead of tackling it he's chosen the cowardly way out. If he doesn't sort it out, my opinion of him may drop.

As for the blinkered comment, why can't it be that people have a difference of opinions rather than say they are blinkered?
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I don't feel Faye is justified to act upon how Aaron made her feel in the way she did. Bearing in mind that on more than one occasion she made some rather scathing comments directed at Aaron during general conversations they had. If someone comes onto you with such a put-down manner then why would you be led to believe they have an interest in you? Faye has been a fool to herself by giving Aaron extremely mixed messages. No wonder he hasn't tried to take things further with her..
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The way I see it, is Aaron went in there and said he was going to play the game. Fine most housemates declare this when they first enter the house. Not so many carry on playing the game in the same way they originally intended. We were reminded in last weeks 'Yes' task that Aaron is still playing the game. That I agree with.

This is where I have a different opinion on Aaron. He originally said he fancied Louise and then a few days later having spent more time with Faye he confessed to liking her (I think he said the most too) Faye reacted by getting closer to Aaron, but never did I see her say she fancied him.

He's teased and flirted with Tom and then later spoke in confidence that he had realised Tom has genuine feelings for him. Aaron doesn't really know the best way to deal with Tom. Fearing that Tom may feel very upset and turn against Aaron which Aaron didn't want. I got the impression Aaron cared for Tom and through fear of losing his friendship he chose the cowards way out and said nothing. I have never thought highly of Aaron where Tom is concerned. I think Aaron should have been straight with him from the start.

Time plods on and it's not looking like anything is going to happen between him and Faye. She's even said (after their dinner date) that she fancies Jay the most. Was Aaron ever told this from another housemate ? Did Aaron get vibes from Faye that nothing was ever going to happen between them ?

Along comes Maisy who herself has said she's feeling sexually frustrated. Things heat up between him and Maisy they kiss, this upsets Anton. Anton plants the seeds the following morning and then we have the full blow out between them all.

Aaron goes to the diary room, I never once got the impression he was playing the victim card. I thought he went in there saying 'What have I done...what have I done..? ...Oh I've made my bed I must now lay in it'.

He went on to admit that he is a coward, because Maisy was out there fighting on her own and there he was hiding in the diary room.

Aaron kissed a girl Tom and Faye went over the top bitching about him winding each other up more and more, then dragging the other housemates into their own drama.


It looked at one point that Aaron was trying to deal with it when he was apologising to Faye and instead of accepting his apology she threw his son into the conversation. Personally I think that was a cheap dig and was uncalled for. We can't say for sure, but maybe Aaron spoke about his son quite a lot when he was alone with Faye, her bringing his son into the drama was unfair, if it wasn't why didn't she speak of this when she was telling the others that he had a go at her?


As much as I can see him playing the game I don't think this incident is part of the game. I believe that Aaron (rightly or wrongly) has brought this upon himself and instead of tackling it he's chosen the cowardly way out. If he doesn't sort it out, my opinion of him may drop.

As for the blinkered comment, why can't it be that people have a difference of opinions rather than say they are blinkered?
Blinkered is disregarding what is right in front of you because it contradicts what you want to believe.

The Tom thing is absolutely the clearest. The whole snuggling and canoodling thing was way beyond banter. Now I don't think for one moment that aaron fancys Tom, however leading tom to believe he has a kindred spirit, a fellow bi male in there, is going to draw Tom in... those actions which We have seen are very understandable from Tom's side, however if aaron doesn't fancy Tom, which we both believe then those actions simply can NOT be viewed as anything less than overt manipulation, leading on.

Also in the 'jealousy' conversation, not only didn't aaron pull Tom up short as anyone would do if they had made it clear beforehand where things stood... but one VERY telling comment from aaron... "but we know the truth".... where have we heard that recently? Thats right, rebeckah to aden during her eviction message... obviously intended to convey "ignore the doubters, the two of us know there is something real between us"... wether she ment it or not, aden obviously did...... exactly the same here, the situation is maybe consiously doing the same thing. aaron continuing to draw Tom in.

After the 'date', aarons fans are now slating faye for paying aaron attention... given the impression he left her with was they would work on the friendship with a view to possibly hooking up after BB, thats exactly what one could expect her to do... including challenging issues that maybe sticking points, incompatabilitys, challenging them, respolving them getting past them is the only way to move such a friendship forward and lay out the basis for the relationship.

As for the 'sitting down to pee'... another issue where aarons fans lap it up when he takes the piss out of another but slate anyone if they dare turn the tabels... because whilst he enjoys dishing it out, he can't take being on the recieving end.

The incident over the mentioning of aarons kid... BECAUSE she is the one he talked to most over his son she is going to be the one most aware of that possibility, the possibility that aarons gameplaying might lead to schoolyard bullying of his son..... but in stead of taking it as a friend (Who dispite them having a falling out) was just saying 'be careful dude'... he blows it into a huge issue... possibly to justify storming off, avoiding the rest of the tricky conversation but it also falsely creates an attitude that he is the agreeved one, allowing him to switch modes from 'peoson in the wrong' to 'person being insulted' = the victim of the piece.
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