[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

AND DENISE APOLOGISED!! several times!

WHAT MORE CAN SHE DO!?!?! SERIOUSLY GET A GRIP

I never said she didn't... but if I proceeded to remove your trousers and then said sorry 20 seconds later, you'd feel fine?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

AND DENISE APOLOGISED!! several times!

WHAT MORE CAN SHE DO!?!?! SERIOUSLY GET A GRIP

You're the one posting in capitals. Maybe you should get a grip?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

well IN MY OPINION

Ive seen a wonderful warm person, enjoying herself and having a laugh

And i dont believe ANY of you that say youve never been drunk and done silly things.It wouldnt be convenient for your arguement if you drank alcohol would it

SO OF COURSE your all gonna say you tee total and respectful blah blah blah makes it easier for the 'pro nasty bastards propaganda' group to slate anyone whose a bit of fun!

No Im sure more of us who drink have gone beyond our limits ON OCCASION...we dont do it every time someone breaks open a bottle of wine though...thats the difference...she cant seem to stop once she has started, and she has been drunk more than anyone in that house and she has only been in there for just under three weeks. She has a problem.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Livia

1: No one in there is Denise's friend. They have all known each other for two weeks.

2: No, I can honestly say, I have never been so pissed in public that I've caused a scene, shown my tits or pulled someone else's trousers down

3: No one who has ever been an alcoholic will say they are cured. You don't have to be a doctor, amateur or otherwise, to know that. I'm surprised you don't know it.

4: Women can act in the way they see fit if they want to be classed as tasteless, inappropriate drunks.

1/ Theyre in a business wre friendships and bonds are established very very quickly because the jobs only last uually a few weeks (plays films tv shows etc) Denise isvery much like myself were she is instantly comfortable around pople. SHE HOWEVER DIDNT UNDERSTAND THAT the twins werent comfotable with her actions until it was to late and she APOLOGISED

2/ You dont have to have flashed to have made a show of yourself. You could said the wrong things, cried like an idiot! Im sure uve had arguements or made scenes out on the town! Denise just likes to flash!

3/ She is ENTITLED to enjoy her life! She doesnt have to worry about what prudish nutters think of her. If she wants to have a few jars and have a laugh then fair pla to her. Her problems are in the past!

4/ same goes for the lads

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by CherieB

No Im sure more of us who drink have gone beyond our limits ON OCCASION...we dont do it every time someone breaks open a bottle of wine though...thats the difference...she cant seem to stop once she has started.

she isnt in a normal environment though

every night in there there is a party!

Im sure she doesnt have nightly parties at home!

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I never said she didn't... but if I proceeded to remove your trousers and then said sorry 20 seconds later, you'd feel fine?

Id be embarrased for about 30 seconds but i certainly wouldnt hold a grudge!

Im not offended by language or actions im ofended by the INTENT behind it!

It someone MALISCIOUSLY tripped me up to make a show of me then id be offended

If they did it in a joking way then why waste engergy getting offended and ruin a night! Its stupid!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

she isnt in a normal environment though

every night in there there is a party!

Im sure she doesnt have nightly parties at home!

Its a party for everyone else too....Nicola got hammered one night,(jacuzzigate) but its not happened since... even last night, during the argument everyone else had stopped drinking....Denise was still swallowing down alcopops...anyone can make a mistake...but you learn, she is out of control, maybe last night was a big eye opener for her I hope so.

Plus we are not judging her "at home" we are going on what we see in front of our eyes...

[Angus]

Yeah why not validate her drunken, out of control, self serving behaviour by making her the winner?

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Angus

Yeah why not validate her drunken, out of control, self serving behaviour by making her the winner?

Why validate, cruel, bitchy, nard nosed, game playing behavior and make the twins winners

[Livia]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

1/ Theyre in a business wre friendships and bonds are established very very quickly because the jobs only last uually a few weeks (plays films tv shows etc) Denise isvery much like myself were she is instantly comfortable around pople. SHE HOWEVER DIDNT UNDERSTAND THAT the twins werent comfotable with her actions until it was to late and she APOLOGISED

2/ You dont have to have flashed to have made a show of yourself. You could said the wrong things, cried like an idiot! Im sure uve had arguements or made scenes out on the town! Denise just likes to flash!

3/ She is ENTITLED to enjoy her life! She doesnt have to worry about what prudish nutters think of her. If she wants to have a few jars and have a laugh then fair pla to her. Her problems are in the past!

4/ same goes for the lads

1: Everyone is different. You cannot presume that because someone is in a particular business they would relate in a particular way to others. Denise only relates in an inappropriate way when she has been drinking. Apologising doesn't mean everything's okay. If I slapped your face and then apologised, you'd still be mad.

2: No, I have never made a show of myself, had a drunken argument or made a scene in town. Never. Not ever. I think that might be clear now.

3: I am not a prudish nutter and I resent your implication that I am because I don't get pissed and act like a prat. She can have a few jars, even though it turns her into a nightmare, but then she has to face the consequences. She is a recovering alcoholic and a depressive, that means her problems are never in her past. Party on.

4: No one ever said it was different for the males. A drunk is a drunk.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Livia

1: Everyone is different. You cannot presume that because someone is in a particular business they would relate in a particular way to others. Denise only relates in an inappropriate way when she has been drinking. Apologising doesn't mean everything's okay. If I slapped your face and then apologised, you'd still be mad.

2: No, I have never made a show of myself, had a drunken argument or made a scene in town. Never. Not ever. I think that might be clear now.

3: I am not a prudish nutter and I resent your implication that I am because I don't get pissed and act like a prat. She can have a few jars, even though it turns her into a nightmare, but then she has to face the consequences. She is a recovering alcoholic and a depressive, that means her problems are never in her past. Party on.

4: No one ever said it was different for the males. A drunk is a drunk.

1/ my views on taking offense are above

2/ Im sorry i dont believe you

3/ I havent seen any of her past behaviour displayed. Ive seen several unpleasant moments from OTHER HOUSEMATES

4/ Males get away with SO MUCH more

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

1/ my views on taking offense are above

2/ Im sorry i dont believe you

3/ I havent seen any of her past behaviour displayed. Ive seen several unpleasant moments from OTHER HOUSEMATES

4/ Males get away with SO MUCH more

Well I agree with you on one thing

4/ Males do get away with much more, take Frankie last night, he was the turning point for the argument escalating but got away scott free, and is being hailed as "mature" in some quarters, when he openly admitted he liked winding the twins up.

[Bollo]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

but then why should she have to hold back part of her personality!

You all constantly moan that people are disengenuous and NOT BEING THEMSELVES or are FAKE

It seems to have ne the other way now people ate it when HM are 100% THEMSELVES!

IF she had gone in there and held back from having fun, youd have called her fake and boring

Hold on a sec, you said in another quote that you are sure that she doesn't have parties nightly in normal life so you are contradicting yourself, why would she feel the need to get drunk nightly if that is not something she would normally do? Other housemates seem to be able to control what they drink more than her. Also if you read my post you would see that I don't dislike Denise i think she has been fairly entertaining, so calm down

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Bollo

Hold on a sec, you said in another quote that you are sure that she doesn't have parties nightly in normal life so you are contradicting yourself, why would she feel the need to get drunk nightly if that is not something she would normally do? Other housemates seem to be able to control what they drink more than her. Also if you read my post you would see that I don't dislike Denise i think she has been fairly entertaining, so calm down

IM SAYING

Denise is in a high pressure strange environment! This is not normal life!

There are nightly parties! Denise is always up for a party! and why shoudlnt she be!

IF SHE had come in and NOT JOINED in for fear of upsetting viewrs then SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HERSELF!

The fact she is doing what comes naturally to her in ALL SITUATIONS proves shes being 100% genuinly herself!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

1/ my views on taking offense are above

2/ Im sorry i dont believe you

3/ I havent seen any of her past behaviour displayed. Ive seen several unpleasant moments from OTHER HOUSEMATES

4/ Males get away with SO MUCH more

This is boring now. This is the last time I'm replying to you on this.

1: Offence is spelt with a c, and your reply is irrelevant to the point I was addressing regarding your allegation that people in show business make friends quicker than in any other walk of life.

2: I am not a drunk, I don't care whether you believe me or not. We obviously move in very different circles. Maybe I've stepped over you on a pavement somewhere, who knows.

3: Denise's depressive alcoholic behaviour is on display every night for all to see.

4: Yes males get away with it more, but women have so much more to lose if they're so drunk they don't know what's going on. But hey, if you think getting drunk like a proper geezerbird makes you feel equal... then have fun.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is boring now. This is the last time I'm replying to you on this.

1: Offence is spelt with a c, and your reply is irrelevant to the point I was addressing regarding your allegation that people in show business make friends quicker than in any other walk of life.

2: I am not a drunk, I don't care whether you believe me or not. We obviously move in very different circles. Maybe I've stepped over you on a pavement somewhere, who knows.

3: Denise's depressive alcoholic behaviour is on display every night for all to see.

4: Yes males get away with it more, but women have so much more to lose if they're so drunk they don't know what's going on. But hey, if you think getting drunk like a proper geezerbird makes you feel equal... then have fun.

1/ Its fact that actors and actresses have to establish friendships more quickly because job only last a limited amount of time!

2/ i wouldnt imagine! I live on high in a gorgeous apartment in Liverpool city centre

3/ Denises, fun, warm, genuine personality is on display every night for all to see.

4/ I have lots of fun thank you

[Livia]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

1/ Its fact that actors and actresses have to establish friendships more quickly because job only last a limited amount of time!

2/ i wouldnt imagine! I live on high in a gorgeous apartment in Liverpool city centre

3/ Denises, fun, warm, genuine personality is on display every night for all to see.

4/ I have lots of fun thank you

Anyone on a temp contract makes friends more quickly then, by that logic.

No, I wouldn't have stepped over you in Liverpool. Maybe when you were on a day trip to the capital?

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Livia

Anyone on a temp contract makes friends more quickly then, by that logic.

No, I wouldn't have stepped over you in Liverpool. Maybe when you were on a day trip to the capital?

Ohhh that noisy, over crowded hell hole! Nah im happy up north in my ivory penthouse with river views thanx ;P

[Ellen]

No i dont think she will win, shown herself up a bit too much.

[chuff me dizzy]

Judging by comments on facebook official CBB page, yes shes a massive chance of winning, its between her and Frankie after last night

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Judging by comments on facebook official CBB page, yes shes a massive chance of winning, its between her and Frankie after last night

The same people who are also crying it's a fix, want Vote to evict back and also claimed Aaron was never going to win?

Yeah Facebook is not a good indicator, I see Michael to win comments are getting a lot of likes as well.

[Ellen]

I would prefer Michael to win than either Frankie or Denise after last night.

[Jackie]

I don't see why not.

[Bollo]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

IM SAYING

Denise is in a high pressure strange environment! This is not normal life!

There are nightly parties! Denise is always up for a party! and why shoudlnt she be!

IF SHE had come in and NOT JOINED in for fear of upsetting viewrs then SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HERSELF!

The fact she is doing what comes naturally to her in ALL SITUATIONS proves shes being 100% genuinly herself!

They are all in an unnatural situation, not just Denise yet funnily enough she's the one that always seems to get in the worst state and into the most arguments, it doesn't bother me I find her an entertaining housemate but it may harm her ability to win.

There are nightly parties and Frankie is always up for a party, but however drunk he gets he doesn't seem to be involved in conflict the way she does.

There is no harm in joining in but if she is truly being herself and she unable to stop drinking alcohol just because it is put in front of her, resulting in arguments, then continues drinking during and after the arguments of course its going to reflect badly on her, especially as you say this is 100% what she is geniunely like.

[Suze]

She will probably get runner up as in that other wreck Kerry Katona, if Denise's PR are doing their job. But think Frankie has it in the bag. Sincerely hope I am wrong though and Michael comes through as the winner of this CBB