[Vicky.]

Oh dear, this keeps getting better and better

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8118203.html

Confidential medical information from sick and disabled people applying for welfare benefits is opened and sorted by Royal Mail staff on behalf of the Government without the claimant's knowledge or consent, The Independent can reveal.

[armand.kay]

Can someone please explain all of this to me. It all sounds interesting but I know nothing .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Can someone please explain all of this to me. It all sounds interesting but I know nothing .

At this time?...no, come back tommorrow

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh dear, this keeps getting better and better

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8118203.html

No way!.... just seen this

[Vicky.]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-plans-1314513

The reason Osbourne was booed at the paralympics.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-plans-1314513

The reason Osbourne was booed at the paralympics.

Haha! almost as much as theresa May and Boris Johnson were

[the truth]

jeremy hunt? God help us all

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...dfCxQA.twitter

More on these assholes

[King Gizzard]

Imagine working for them :|

[joeysteele]

I do think Jeremy Hunt will be more approachable as to this issue but for me the whole ATOS assessments should be halted and thought about again.

The cost of first dealing with the loss of benefits, the then appeal process and then having to fully re-instate the benefits with likely backdated payments added to the new original costs of all these assessments too, must overall totally defeat the object.
I hope to see more understanding though from Jeremy Hunt.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Imagine working for them :|

I cant imagine being an actual medical professional and ending up working for these cirrupt *****. You spend your life trying to help people, and are then stuck lying and cheating people who need help...out of help. Its awful

[Nedusa]

Sounds to me ATOS have been given one published agenda, but have been asked by the Govt to follow a different one. Treat every single claimant as a fraudster until otherwise proven. This amounts to Guilty until proven innocent and its at the time,cost and resources of the claimant to pursue the claim once ATOS predictably fails the claim.

This really is the lowest of the low, to pick on people who are just about surviving and to force them to prove they are ill particulary with non physical illnesses is beyond contempt. I empathise with a lot of the earlier posts in this thread. I wish there was a way we could stop this madness....!!!

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...payday-1352958

Seems this paper is the only one prepared to get on their backs about it...been a few stories in here over the weeks.

[Kizzy]

Hi vicky, soz can't post links have a look at a Guardian article called '' Investigate 'misleading' Atos bid for disability tests contract urges labour''....

[Vicky.]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ontract-labour

Nothing surprises me with these dicks anymore tbh

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ontract-labour

Nothing surprises me with these dicks anymore tbh

Me either was reading A4e got away with something similar in 2001 though..

[Vicky.]

http://wearespartacus.org.uk/wp-cont...Assessment.pdf

This is a MASSIVE document, 71 pages and Im only on page 24 now, but if anyone has a load of spare time and wants to know exactly how ATOS, the dwp and the government are treating disabled people its well worth a read. Some of the stories are absolutely sickening. These are real peoples experiences of ATOS medicals. I dont actually understand how what they do is legal.

I know not many people will read the whole thing...but pick a random page and read one or two of the stories. The governments mantra that 'genuinely ill people have nothing to fear' will be disproven instantly.

Edit. It seems the real accounts end on page 26.

[Kizzy]

ATOS back in the guardian today, the government are being sued by a disabled guy

[joeysteele]

ATOS are failing and whatever agenda they have been 'guided' to as to these re-assessments,it is wrong.

For me, these ATOS re-assessments should be halted and thought about again.
It is the Lib Dems I am amazed at, after talking to several Lib Dem councillors,they too are sick of the wrongs coming out as to ATOS.

As with the 'bedroom tax' however, I am surprised people are not raising this issue with their MPs, or are they and it's just being brushed under the carpet.
From the anger at ATOS,I have found talking to Lib Dem councillors I find it difficult to accept that their MPs are not getting this raised and regularly with them.

I and one of my Friends family, had a big battle with the DWP after an ATOS assessment of his health issues. We won but it was time consuming and hard work not to mention the massive inconveneince in between the decision and appeal result.

The whole format of the ATOS assessments are wrong in my opinion and they are also some the very worst of people to deal with too.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

ATOS are failing and whatever agenda they have been 'guided' to as to these re-assessments,it is wrong.

For me, these ATOS re-assessments should be halted and thought about again.
It is the Lib Dems I am amazed at, after talking to several Lib Dem councillors,they too are sick of the wrongs coming out as to ATOS.

As with the 'bedroom tax' however, I am surprised people are not raising this issue with their MPs, or are they and it's just being brushed under the carpet.
From the anger at ATOS,I have found talking to Lib Dem councillors I find it difficult to accept that their MPs are not getting this raised and regularly with them.

I and one of my Friends family, had a big battle with the DWP after an ATOS assessment of his health issues. We won but it was time consuming and hard work not to mention the massive inconveneince in between the decision and appeal result.

The whole format of the ATOS assessments are wrong in my opinion and they are also some the very worst of people to deal with too.

Give them time. The letters have only just gone out round here informing people about it...I'm sure a lot won't even know about it until said letter lands on their doorstep...

[Kizzy]

It's great news about the case vicky, if this guy wins then it will surely signal the end of ATOS?
The bedroom tax will be a real headache for them, like you say the full extent of who,why and where has not been realised yet. When local councillors and media start putting pressure on MP's in the worst affected areas hopefully that may have an impact.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

It's great news about the case vicky, if this guy wins then it will surely signal the end of ATOS?
The bedroom tax will be a real headache for them, like you say the full extent of who,why and where has not been realised yet. When local councillors and media start putting pressure on MP's in the worst affected areas hopefully that may have an impact.

Oh definitely good news about the case, and I really wish him the best of luck. I doubt even him winning it would signal the end of ATOS though, I would imagine there would need to be a fair few cases until the government are willing to give up this company who are doing EXACTLY what they want

I read my MILs letter about bedroom tax. What some people seem not to be realising (yet) is that its going to hit low paid workers as well as the unemployed...theres a page in the leaflet about this. I imagine a lot of people on minimum wage who have to rely on benefits just to survive (which I disagree with too...no-one in fulltime employment should need to claim benefit to get by, but many do) are going to be well pissed off when they realise that this doesnt just affect the 'scroungers'

[King Gizzard]

https://twitter.com/bananarahmana/st...73032016494593

[joeysteele]

I have made already some comments on this issue here in the past and I am now really furious with ATOS,the DWP and this vile man Duncan Smith too.

It is best for me not to comment now too much as I was too personally involved but over the last 2 years I have been involved with the family of someone who has in my view been near harrassed by ATOS and the DWP.

We were due to have to face the 3rd assessment via ATOS and the DWP in the next few weeks again after twice winning appeals.
It is not possible now as we lost the person who was severely disabled on Tuesday.

I am really too angry to comment or to list in full my fury and total hate for these heartless assessments being done by ATOS for the DWP in lines with the direction of the most rotten man in politics in my opinion, Ian Duncan Smith.
These ATOS re-assessments should be stopped immediately and Duncan Smith should be sacked,he shouldn't be having any say in decent peoples lives disabled or fully healthy in my view.
.... and there I will leave it.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

That is exactly the case in my mind. They obviously have targets to meet, and they are trained in ways to get people off ESA etc. I think it goes by some points system. Amazing that doctors/consultants etc can deem someone unfit to work, but their "trained" staff can overthrow such a decision after a half hour verbal interview with no physical examination at all. They just want the numbers down.

Well i'm sure i saw a c4 programme where it said ATOS get £300 for every person they get off of benefits !!