[rex3]

malcom. out of THE ROYAL FAMILY the old show that use to be on BB2. Thats who you look like easypeasy, hmmm what do you think?

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by rex3
malcom. out of THE ROYAL FAMILY the old show that use to be on BB2. Thats who you look like easypeasy, hmmm what do you think?

hehe id rather look like him than a member of the real royal family mate......you look like a tarty version of Glyn in your pic!

[rex3]

lol. yeah, glyns alright, long curly hair is in, this season.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by rex3
lol. yeah, glyns alright, long curly hair is in, this season.

are you sure he's not been moonlighting as a housemate in the australian bb? his cheeks look red like somethings been slapping against them a lot.........

[devilsadvocate]

i don't want to get too deep into this but i feel i have to.there is a line in an (fairly) old spike lee film,(i think it's called school daze), where larry fishbourne turn to sameul l.jackson and said " you're not *****s." this hits the nail on the head for me. the n word was'nt banded about in hip-hop until the late 80's/early 90's with N.W.A and such other so-called rap groups/artists.way back,grand master melle mel never used that word,neither did afrika bambaataa,KRS-1,big daddy kane,rakim, or (as easy has mentioned),public enemy.it seems that now it is o.k to be seen as a N***** because that is all black people can be/are.... which is bulls***!
it's not something that should be celebrated,nor is it something to be worn like some kind of badge of honour. how would snoop dogg feel after being whipped for looking at a white woman.maybe i'm wrong,but he may think to himself,"this ***** stuff is'nt all it's cracked up to be.i don't want to be a ***** anymore.wheres my gin and juice."
the whole jon/spiral thing was just two thick and dim people trying not to offend each other.....which is also bulls***.

[easypeasy]

"how would snoop dogg feel after being whipped for looking at a white woman"
quality mate. that last reply says it all, the rebirth of that word is recent and it pays no respect to generations of black musicians who fought hard to get their music recognised in a white owned music industry, I dont really understand why someonec with incredible talent such as Stevie Wonder should have broke down
barriers just to have mr "doggy dogg" put them up again. I blame the children of the sixties for not educating their own children.

[devilsadvocate]

and the 70's,80's,90's etc.

[Sidrat2006]

Well said Easypesee.

Some words cut deeper than others. Eventually all words lose or change their meaning.

The N word is probably the oldest derogatory term that's as offensive now to most people than it was back then.

I've seen old films from the 20's and 30's that feature this word as a description. Blazing Saddles also infers the use of this word too for comedic value.

Sometimes it can be funny, but it really does depend on the situation.

[Sidrat2006]

Having watched the highlights of the conversation, I have to say it wasn't as bad as portrayed by the original poster.

It was a question that Jonathon answered truthfully. Some people might disagree with his views but it was a question asked to find out about a stranger.

I've asked several black guys that I've got on well with what the N word actually means or meant, but only one has given the statement that it's a very bad word indeed.

I wonder if the actual meaning and the modern definition resembles each other??

[Slezer]

To be honest everybody saying it was okay for Spiral to use the 'n' word are just ignorant. Some black people find the word very degrading. Because of the history of the word a white person saying it is just very ignorant and stupid.

[Slezer]

Originally posted by Edwin
Exactly, if black people don't have any respect for themselves, then why should we give them any?

Mate, I beg that you take a look at how ignorant you are and **** off?

[sol]

I liked that way that Jonathan didn't take offence to what Spiral said, he's right, society has moved on. If true equality is wanted then everyone has to be prepared for someone of any race or culture to say words, and act in certain ways.

[easypeasy]

who's to say society has moved on? who is "society" anyway? It's pretty obvious a lot of black people still find the word deeply offensive.....are they wrong to feel that way?

[sol]

Originally posted by easypeasy
who's to say society has moved on? who is "society" anyway? It's pretty obvious a lot of black people still find the word deeply offensive.....are they wrong to feel that way?

Who's to say Spiral wouldn't take offence with the way you spelt his name on the title of this thread.

[Foebane100]

spoirul is kind of sleazy.

[Sidrat2006]

For an interesting reference read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

While the word may upset people, the meanings of words change, and "power to insult" be degraded over time.

In the above article it lists several well known authors ( Agatha Christie) having used the word in the context of her day.

Finally I have found out the meaning and original power of insult with this word.

Long live Wikipedia and the beautiful language.

[easypeasy]

bit of a diff between joshing about someones accent and asking a black man if you can call him a n________ mate.

[Kore]

gotta love wikipedia.

[easypeasy]

"is a term used to refer to black people. When used by non-blacks, it is considered extremely derogatory." well at least wiki stays true to the point.

[easypeasy]

"More recently, the term has been used to signify a black person who is a thug"
thats not much of a compliment to a black person either.

[Sidrat2006]

That's generally the ***** usage of the word though.

The more people use a word, the more diluted the original derogatory power is left.

It's like homosexuals using previously derogatory words themselves. Classic Simpsons episode featured Homer meeting and getting on with a guy who was gay. You must have seen the episode.

Homer - "You can't use that word, that's the word we use." Or something like that, not a very good quote, but it's close ish.

[Bells]

Originally posted by easypeasy
He was incredibly lucky that John wasnt the type to take offence. If he had said that word to some of my mates he would have got knocked out before the he drew another breath..
The problem is now one black person has told him he can say it he will be dropping it all over the place, a sure recipe for trouble.
That Vanilla Ice wannabe is really starting to grate on me, I hope to god he doesnt make it into the real house.

Some people do tend to use it offhand these days but it should be made aware that of course it's an insult! Spiral isn't making things any better anyway - he's being a bit inconsiderate to say the least!

[Sidrat2006]

It doesn't always refer to a negative comment. Meanings of words change. They're organic in that nature.

I've seen the footage and he it was brought up quite well. Allbeit a bit quicker than I'd have bought it up. He didn't use it derogatarilly (?) he asked Jonathon (great laid back guy) what he thought of the use of the word in songs, in general.

You'd be offended by any comment delivered to you in a negative and hurtful fashion.

I have a bad habit of using the phrase "shut up" in conversation and that can go down just as bad as any curse word.

[easypeasy]

Sid you say he brought the subject up very quickly, i agree with that point.
he also asked michael a dumb question within a very short time of meeting him. I cant help but get the impression spiral is totally tactless and inconsiderate around strangers who are different to the type he normally meets. whether it be black or gay they both get treated the same way.

[devilsadvocate]

spiral is the kind of person who will insult some-one else and wonder,'why he so upset?whats the problem?was it something i said?' totally insensitive. 'so your gay are you?whats it like to have a willy up there?'
'so your black are you carrying those lips around must be such a burden!.........what?did that offend you?'