[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That still doesn't give their motivation lol, and I don't think they're trying to do that at all

I already gave you there motivation, it's upto you if you want to agree with it or not.

Anyway BB proved it was fixed when they set up that task to put Lauren and Luke A up against each other.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Sara's so nice that she started the bullying against Lauren in the first week, Sara is so nice that she's using Deana knowing that Deana hasn't got many friends/allies in the house.

Yes, Sara started the bullying of Lauren by trying to sit down and talk things out with her and it's been obvious that Deana and Sara are genuine friends, but once again the Deana fans will resort to making her the victim.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I already gave you there motivation, it's upto you if you want to agree with it or not.

Anyway BB proved it was fixed when they set up that task to put Lauren and Luke A up against each other.

Did BB also prove it was fixed when nominations were manipulated to help the Outsiders on two different instances? Or do we just ignore those because they went our way?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Yes, Sara started the bullying of Lauren by trying to sit down and talk things out with her and it's been obvious that Deana and Sara are genuine friends, but once again the Deana fans will resort to making her the victim.

Sara got the whole house to rally against Lauren, she didn't even have a reason to dislike her either other than the fact that she was jealous of her looks.

And Sara only hanged out with Deana when Deana topped the four way vote.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Did BB also prove it was fixed when nominations were manipulated to help the Outsiders on two different instances? Or do we just ignore those because they went our way?

That's nothing compared to BB allowed The Insiders to get away with talking nominations for 7 weeks is it?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Sara got the whole house to rally against Lauren, she didn't even have a reason to dislike her either other than the fact that she was jealous of her looks.

And Sara only hanged out with Deana when Deana topped the four way vote.

She didn't rally the whole house. And yes they did only show her being friends with Deana after the vote, but Sara's always done her own thing and marched to the beat of her own drum. She cried tears of joy when Deana topped the vote. They were never on bad terms beforehand.

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

That's nothing compared to BB allowed The Insiders to get away with talking nominations for 7 weeks is it?

That's exaggerated, as are most of your points. How can you say it's nothing when the Outsiders have had help in escaping nominations on TWO different instances? But as usual, it's all tunnel vision and people will ignore what they want to ignore.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

She didn't rally the whole house. And yes they did only show her being friends with Deana after the vote, but Sara's always done her own thing and marched to the beat of her own drum. She cried tears of joy when Deana topped the vote. They were never on bad terms beforehand.



That's exaggerated, as are most of your points. How can you say it's nothing when the Outsiders have had help in escaping nominations on TWO different instances? But as usual, it's all tunnel vision and people will ignore what they want to ignore.

Sara did try and rally the house against Lauren, it's just that some Housemates still was willing to give Lauren a chance.

And how is it exaggerated? BB helped The Insiders escape 7 evictions, The Outsiders on the other hand never would have been in danger of being evicted if BB had punished The Insiders sooner.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Sara did try and rally the house against Lauren, it's just that some Housemates still was willing to give Lauren a chance.

And how is it exaggerated? BB helped The Insiders escape 7 evictions, The Outsiders on the other hand never would have been in danger of being evicted if BB had punished The Insiders sooner.

Sara's the one who gives people the most chances, so that point's irrelevant.

Really, BB helped the Insiders escape seven evictions?

Week 1: no help here
Week 2: voting was all over the place and Chris's eviction was obvious anyways. I know you have some conspiracy theory but Chris wasn't likable, so obviously nobody would save him, especially against a "hot" model
Weeks 3/4: obvious block voting, but it's not like this is the first time block voting has ever happened. Nomination talk isn't allowed, but people work around it and often get their votes to match up. This isn't some groundbreaking discovery, it's happened every year.
Week 5: an Insider was evicted
Week 6: an Insider was evicted and BB helped the Outsiders avoid nominations. Mhm, the show's rigged against the Outsiders
Week 7: Face to face nominations and the Outsiders absolutely suck at voting strategically. This again, is not groundbreaking news
Week 8: An Insider was evicted
Week 9: One, possibly two Insiders will be evicted

So yeah, BB did not help the Insiders escape evictions. We've seen block voting and dodgy strategy talk before where despite nomination talk being banned, people can work their way around it. As we've seen throughout the whole season, the Insiders are good at block voting. The Outsiders are not. They sucked strategically when Lydia was around, they sucked strategically after Lydia was evicted. Both sides have benefited from nomination twists, there isn't favoritism towards either side. All these conspiracy theories need to be laid to rest.

[Mystic Mock]

Chris was more likeable than Sara or any of The Insiders.

And Sara gives people the most chances? lol then howcome Lauren and Benedict got no chances off her then?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Chris was more likeable than Sara or any of The Insiders.

And Sara gives people the most chances? lol then howcome Lauren and Benedict got no chances off her then?

No he wasn't, especially not to the general public. You act like the votes were fixed against Chris but you should open your eyes and realize that he wasn't that liked (for good reason too.)

Sara does give people the most chances, she actually sits down and tries to talk things out with people as we've seen her to do to Lauren, Caroline, Shievonne, Adam, and Deana. That's more than you can say about the others.

All these claims that the show is fixed to please the chavvy crowd are BS considering that the general public likes the Outsiders too.

[Jamie585]

of course it's not a fix.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Chris was more likeable than Sara or any of The Insiders.

And Sara gives people the most chances? lol then howcome Lauren and Benedict got no chances off her then?

Chris was more likeable than Arron by miles, Chris was brilliant. Yet Arron was saved against him then came last against the likes of Conor and Becky

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Chris was more likeable than Arron by miles, Chris was brilliant. Yet Arron was saved against him then came last against the likes of Conor and Becky

Yeah that was a bit fishy tbh as I think Chris would have beaten both Conor and Becky in a four way.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

What the **** are you even talking about? Arron and Shievonne self-destructed when they were nominated. That's not fixed, just them being dumb and letting their emotions get the best of them. And you're REALLY surprised that Shievonne was evicted over Conor? You're REALLY surprised that a "hot" Irish personal trainer survived over an outspoken, argumentative black ex-Playboy bunny? You must be new.

And for the record, Conor was just as visible Week 6 as the others.

why u mad? LOOL

[InOne]

It's a massive fix. But I don't pay money to vote and my fave HM is out so I don't care.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Chris was more likeable than Arron by miles, Chris was brilliant. Yet Arron was saved against him then came last against the likes of Conor and Becky

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Yeah that was a bit fishy tbh as I think Chris would have beaten both Conor and Becky in a four way.

Maybe to you he was more likable but to the general public no. I don't see how Chris's eviction was a surprise to anyone. The voting public is REALLY not that unpredictable. "Hot" young model who walked around shirtless vs. fat guy with annoying voice and a temper? Come on, that's as predictable as ever.

Once again, it's not surprising that Arron came in last in the four way vote. Becky had some momentum in being victimized by Arron/Conor so clearly she would've been second to Deana. And in a vote to save, Conor survived just like he did against Shievonne. Arron self-destructed and annoyed EVERYONE inside and outside of the house. He had the hot shirtless model appeal in the first two weeks, but it wore off quickly.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by rayheartbliss

why u mad? LOOL

I just don't take well to idiocy.

[jackc1806]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

It's not fixed. People resort to calling it a fix when something seemingly inexplicable happens against their favorites. They resort to how BB has picked its "chosen ones" and as a response, the forums pick their own "chosen ones" and become laughably hypocritical.

There were all sorts of myths last year about how the show was fixed against Aaron even though it was obvious as soon as Mark walked that it was his game to lose. The Aaron fans would always insist that THIS IS AARON'S LAST WEEK GUYS, BB IS *REALLY* OUT TO GET HIM SO WE ALL HAVE TO VOTE FOR HIM! And then Aaron would top every vote with ~72% and yet for some reason, people doubted he was going to win?

And guess what? The same ****'s happening with Deana. Everyone's crying this week that it's a fix because of the "voting problems" (which have just caused people to call in and vote for Deana and Luke A even more) and that the show is out to protect "chosen one" Becky despite the fact that her edit has been horrendous for the past month and she has no fans besides her friends, family, and bigbrother12. Everyone is going to make a big deal when Becky's evicted and we "beat" the nonexistent rigging. And come twelve days time, they'll make an even bigger deal about how Deana has overcome all the odds (despite leading the betting odds for weeks on end) and will be declared the greatest winner ever and we'll never hear the end of it.

So yes, a majority of people will say that it's rigged, despite the fact that Deana's had a tremendous edit for just about the whole season. And come August 13th, we'll hear about all the rigging she overcame and how she was in so much danger, despite topping the vote every week and always being at the top of the betting odds.


And before anyone says that I'm biased, this is coming from a Deana fan.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I hate people who shout fix... especially when it's things like Aaron winning BB12... Nicola & Shannon Twins staying over Kirk & Cassidy.

Well actually, those were quite funny.

But I don't think it's 'fixed'... incredibly biased at times though.

I'm with you on this one BD. I particularly like your last sentence, it makes a lot of sense.

[Ellen]

Biased editing maybe but not a fix.
People just say that when things are not going the way they want for their favourites.

[Razor]

I don't think it's a total fix but I do think things are manipulated a bit.

[Jordan.]

Everything apart from the voting is fixed somewhat imo. They definitely influence situations far more now than they used to and make stuff up as they go a long for storylines to form.

[alex_front2]

yes - for Conor, Becky to win

- Conor not being kicked out. HMs have been kicked out for less
- Not showing Conors other warnings
- BBOTS refusing to discuss Conors epilator rant and Emma stopping anyone from doiing so but going on and on about BMI
- Becky;s bitchy comments never discussed and confined mainly online
- Hardly any recognition of Deanas popularity on BBOTS
- Facebook goes down week fav no1 deana and no2 luke a HMs are up against weak opposition
- Changing White Room leaving instructions from you leave when you want to one HM must leave and decided amongst Luke S, Conor and Sara just as Sara wavers
- Only showing Beckys sisters nomination on BBOTS preview
- Not allowing Deanas friend to discuss Conors rant
- Emma telling Kirk he'll see Deana on Friday
- lines re-opened 2x to ensure Caz went
- Deana getting the first night nomms role - never rang true
- White room fiasco (initially how it was chosen it was least nommed HM in whole series, then got change that week, unclear rules eg.whether it was for 25,000 GBP
- Week 7 Face to Face nomms - who has the guts to nom Conor. Just Deana

[daniel-lewis-1985]

NO.

[Vicky.]

Manipulated might be a better word. IMO its quite clear they pick quite early on who they think would make them the most cash in the final/an eviction if they were against each other, and do anything possible to get that result. The twists always seem to favour certain people, same with when they change the nominations...