[Marc]

I can't believe BB contestants have turned into idiots like the Survivor contestants.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Marc

I can't believe BB contestants have turned into idiots like the Survivor contestants.

Dan is better.

Won on a 7-0 vote.

Made it to the finals the both times he played.

Had 3 different people use the veto on him.

No one has EVER cast a vote against him.

Dan can kill you in more ways than Will can.

Both Will and Dan are very good manipulators, but Dan can actually win comps and he can adapt to any situation. Dan is also a better strategist. Will is more entertaining, but he is not better.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Dan is better.

Won on a 7-0 vote.

Made it to the finals the both times he played.

Had 3 different people use the veto on him.

No one has EVER cast a vote against him.

Dan can kill you in more ways than Will can.

Both Will and Dan are very good manipulators, but Dan can actually win comps and he can adapt to any situation. Dan is also a better strategist. Will is more entertaining, but he is not better.

I see your point. Dan's best quality as a player, I think, is being able to read situations and know when to strike. And he is probably better at the pure strategy than Will, Will actually plays very emotionly which can lead him to making some odd choices during the game that seem more personal than game related. Dan does not really have this problem.

That being said, Dr. Will is the godfather of this game and his lies an manipulation are better than anything Dan could do. Dan would never have won season ten without using strategy and ideas Dr. Will used. The whole 'Im a weak player in this game' is pure BB2 Will. I would argue that Will played against better players in 2 than Dan played in 10 and 13 as well.

Dr. Will could make the worst bull**** sound like gold. He could lie and manipulate but still be liked by everyone in the house. Will would have played the same way as Dan this season and still end up being liked by the other housemates and that is one thing Dan can not

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

That being said, Dr. Will is the godfather of this game and his lies an manipulation are better than anything Dan could do. Dan would never have won season ten without using strategy and ideas Dr. Will used. The whole 'Im a weak player in this game' is pure BB2 Will. I would argue that Will played against better players in 2 than Dan played in 10 and 13 as well.

Michael Jordan patterned his game after David Thompson and Dr. J's. Are they better than him, because they came before him too?

I strongly disagree that BB2 had better players. The game was new in BB2. Hardly anyone knew how to play it. Nicole and Hardy were the only good players outside of Will. Hardy was no better than Shane and Frank. Nicole was no better than Ian.

Dan played a completely different game this time. He couldn't play "I'm a weak player in this game" card this time. He played "I'm dangerous and its better to be play with me, than against me" card and it worked.

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Dr. Will could make the worst bull**** sound like gold. He could lie and manipulate but still be liked by everyone in the house. Will would have played the same way as Dan this season and still end up being liked by the other housemates and that is one thing Dan can not

Everyone hated Will in BB2. That's why he was on the block every single week. The jury HATED Dan in BB10 and he still won on a 7-0 vote.

Will never pulled off anything as epic as the Funeral.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Marc

I can't believe BB contestants have turned into idiots like the Survivor contestants.

Its sad. Even before the funeral happened. Joe, Shane etc were saying that they would never vote for him no matter how well he played, because he won the game before.

[Marc]

That's what I mean SoBig, the OTHER contestants really need to just slay him. It's like B Rob all over again

[Marc]

Oh... I believe you misquoted me there and actually meant to quote Roy Mars

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Marc

Oh... I believe you misquoted me there and actually meant to quote Roy Mars

Oh I thought you were talking about bitter juries.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Oh I thought you were talking about bitter juries.

There's nothing wrong with a bitter jury, it's something you have to consider as a player because the jury just as easily vote against someone as they'll vote for someone. It's not unfair because it's all reactionary to what happened to them during the game.

[LemonJam]

I think I'll make my mind up about the Dan vs Will argument when the seasons over and we see how the jury votes. I think they both had tougher competition in their original seasons tbh because in 7 and 14, the majority houseguests seem to just roll over for them.

The thing about the BB2 final that people forget is that Monica would've won had she made the final 2, no question about it. Really makes you wonder if Will would still be considered the great player he is today or just a season villain. I'd also consider the fact Dan essentially got 3 weeks of immunity handed to him at the beginning.

Technically speaking though, Dan is probably the better player as he has the better track record.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

I think I'll make my mind up about the Dan vs Will argument when the seasons over and we see how the jury votes. I think they both had tougher competition in their original seasons tbh because in 7 and 14, the majority houseguests seem to just roll over for them.

The thing about the BB2 final that people forget is that Monica would've won had she made the final 2, no question about it. Really makes you wonder if Will would still be considered the great player he is today or just a season villain. I'd also consider the fact Dan essentially got 3 weeks of immunity handed to him at the beginning.

Technically speaking though, Dan is probably the better player as he has the better track record.

A few things. There was 12 players in BB2 and 13 in BB7. When the reset button was hit there was 12 players. So Dan entered the game with the same number of players that the typical BB seasons have.

Dan lost two players in week 1. He could have been evicted in week 2 or in week 3.

[LemonJam]

oh yeah i didn't think of that lawl.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The Will/Dan debate is kind of pointless because Will's game in BB2 was completely different since there was no PoV.