[Macie Lightfoot]

Janelle's a good competitor, that's how she got 3rd place twice. You factor in the fact that she's a **** strategist, it cancels each other out and she's nothing special.

And basically Veto Roulette was one of Dan's "brilliant" game moves that is in fact overrated and filled with useless theatrics.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by reece(:

She didn't get 3rd place twice by doing nothing.

I thought about putting her in for her BB7 game because I think she would've killed it if she made the finals with Erika but... the amount of dumb dumb dumb moves she made that Season was staggering, so I decided against it.

[Raph]

Hey, even as Dan's biggest fan on here, I think Nominations Roulette wasn't that great at all. He's a phenomenal player but that move was just over-dramatized theatrics.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Jords

Dont understand the nomination roulette thing?

He wanted to cause chaos amongst the house guest. So that all the heat wouldn't be on his back.

Youtube video

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Janelle's a good competitor, that's how she got 3rd place twice. You factor in the fact that she's a **** strategist, it cancels each other out and she's nothing special.

Ian is not as good as Janelle and lemon listed him in the top 20. He isn't the competitor that Janelle is and is just as bad of a strategist and is easily manipulated. Dan and Britney worked him like a puppet.

[rk3388]

And the reason i didnt count jordan as part of my higher placed therefore obviously equal better gameplayers, is because grodner saved her both times she played but she didnt do anything to save dan. That being said, i do thknk jordans social game is highly underrated on here

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Ian is not as good as Janelle and he lemon listed him in the top 20. He isn't the competitor that Janelle is and is just as bad of a strategist and is easily manipulated. Dan and Britney worked him like a puppet.

Okay? I never said Lemon's list was perfect, just that it's the overall most accurate one (which it is.)

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by rk3388

And the reason i didnt count jordan as part of my higher placed therefore obviously equal better gameplayers, is because grodner saved her both times she played but she didnt do anything to save dan. That being said, i do thknk jordans social game is highly underrated on here

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[Marc]

Will, Jun, Dan, Janelle, Nakomis

all for different reasons

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I strongly disagree. The game was new in BB2. 99% of the players did not understand what was happening. Was Nicole a good player? Yeah, but look at who she was up against. A bunch of Ashley's and Joe's. Mike Boogie sucked his first time around and so did the rest of players outside of Hardy, Will and Nicole.

The BB10 cast was average, but the BB14 cast was great. Very comparable to if not better than the allstars' cast. Kaysar, Howie, Erika, Chicken George, Jase and Marcellas? Really?

Nicole, Howie, Danielle, and James were better than anyone in 10 or 14 besides Dan.

Originally Posted by SoBig

Dr. Will would had to be up against a previous winner to have a shot at winning if he was in this season. The newbies in this season was dead set against letting a coach win.

Dr. Will would have found a way to still win even against a newbi

Originally Posted by SoBig

Disagree.

Nothing tops the funeral, getting Danielle to use the veto and then booting her showmance and getting two people to throw the first part of the final HOH.

Dr. Will couldn't even get his flirtmance to not vote him out at the final 4.

Dan has nothing on Will in terms of manipulation. Dan made many stupid moves this season. He was too obvious and aggressive, he should have taken a more behind the scenes approach.

I know the newbies say they would never have voted for a vet, but if Dan had played perfectly he could have gotten them too, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by SoBig

But we know that Jordan is not at that level.

I was making a point, that placing is not everything

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Nicole, Howie, Danielle, and James were better than anyone in 10 or 14 besides Dan.

Danielle? No doubt. Nicole? Arguably. James and Howie? ******** no. I'll take Memphis, Frank, Shane, Ian and Britney (she was a very good player this season until Dan ousted her.)

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Dr. Will would have found a way to still win even against a newbi

Doubt it. I don't even think that he would have made it to the final 2. For crying out loud Erika convinced his flirtmance to vote him out.

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Dan has nothing on Will in terms of manipulation. Dan made many stupid moves this season. He was too obvious and aggressive, he should have taken a more behind the scenes approach.

He was very behind the scenes this season. He was pulling all the strings and no one knew until they were voted out. What stupid mistakes did Dan make? The only one I can think of was him telling Boogie that Danielle was going to vote Frank out after the reset happened, but he fixed it within in 2 day. The other one was probably not having enough vets in the jury. But that was Janelle and Boogie's own doing. Can't really fault Dan for that.

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I know the newbies say they would never have voted for a vet, but if Dan had played perfectly he could have gotten them too, in my opinion.

Given the situation that he was in he did play close to a perfect game. I don't see Dr. Will topping what Dan did this season.

Danielle Reyes, James Rhine, Matt Hoffman etc. all have said that Dan is a better player than Dr. Will. Both James and Danielle played with Will. So I'll take their word for it.

[SoBig]

The jury this season was terrible. Shane said in an interview on Saturday that Dan didn't deserve to win, because Ian won more competitions. Danielle agreed and said that Ian was just as strategic.

Jenn wanted someone new to win. Same with Joe and Ashley.

That's how terrible the jury was this year.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Right, not Dan's fault at all that he backstabbed everyone and made everyone hate him. Not like a jury is reactionary to the events that happened. Nope

[Donovan.]

No particular order.

Maggie
Dan
Danielle
Will
Nicole
Jun
Mike

[rk3388]

i dont even think mike was a good gameplayer -_- hes just dr.wills little sidekick, and when he finally played alone what a surprise, he was a pre jury boot

[reece(:]

Mike wasn't a good player at all.

[LemonJam]

srsly are y'all trippin.

[SoBig]

Mike sucked hardcore in BB14. Dan, Britney, Shane and Ian all had him completely fooled from the start. He was just as bad as he was in BB2.

[LemonJam]

oh yeah he failed completely in 2/14 but he played a great game in 7.

[Donovan.]

Winning an ALL STAR season I just felt like I had to mention him.

[SharkAttack]

Dan = Dr. Will for all intents...

Top two so far, imho. Both played and won, and both nearly won it again after the general knowledge of their existence in the game. When someone actually does win it twice, they'll be the best.

IMHO

[SharkAttack]

Sidenote: see: Brian Dowling

[Roy Mars III]

Mike played great in season 7

[Donovan.]

^ I thought so...

[Roy Mars III]

liked how you included Maggie as well. She was always a great manipulator, my problem with her though was she always denied manipulating people and actually playing the game